Interface is Slow and Laggy

@jenkmeister17177426 unfortunately I'm not able to share this one. Sensitive client work. However when I get a project I can share I'll send it over.

@Rob217717683hsl Thanks for reporting this. Are you able to share your project with me? You can DM it to me if you can't share publicly. 

Here's a video showing my experience with interface lag in After Effects.

I have no plugins installed, I'm using no expressions or code.

In fact, there are no effects being used in the project I'm working on at all.

My composition is a 1920x1080 project comprised of two solids and 10 shape layers with basic shapes of a logo which I'm animating. Only Position and Opacity parameters are being animated using keyframes.

VIDEO:

VIDEO OF ISSUE 

The lag is abhorrent.

This is a fully up-to-date version of After Effects (2023, 23.3.0 Build 53) running on MacOS Ventura 13.2.1.

@Ando0o0 if you'd like, you can try picking up an old 2008 computer and try it- If I recall, I had pretty good 4K performance on an Intel Core i7 950 with a GTX 760
It'll probably do better if you use windows XP and CS6 too! try to find a 2011-2012 system and run CS6 on it! I was getting pretty snappy playback with 4k and even 3D effects back then!
and then the subscriptioning happened.

I have zero plug ins installed on the fastest Apple computer money can buy right now and the UI is still laggy if you have over 20 layers and working in a 4K comp. 

@jenkmeister17177426 yeah, that's exactly what I did, but I can't get anywhere near that. note that on yours, the entire thing is rendered, as denoted by the green line. for me, I have 32 gigs of memory(considered an absolute pittance around here), but notice how quickly it filled up for me. I would be gladly willing to test it, but at the moment now that the price of food spiked, I'm suddenly fighting food and rent issues and need all the work I can do, and I just can't pay adobe's subscription (I have paid in excess of the price of a perpetual lisence, but it would bankrupt me now, so I'm forced to buy programs that do have perpetual lisences, or use CS6. yes I understand a subscription is cheap and should pay off- I cannot justify it when it's for a program that my clients won't accept me using). if you guys want me to do bugtesting, I'll need to be paid, or have a lisence that won't actively harm me.

still, while I can't provide more than that footage (it's months old, I took it while working on the project last october and I only have a few leftover clips stored for a reel), look at how it keeps purging the preview the moment anything is touched. I really don't know how you got the program to be so stable, but it's not just my specific hardware. People running 4090's and 12900k's I suspect are having very similar issues,  and I don't think "but 6 year old hardware is unusable" flies as an argument anywhere but the richest regions. one of my coworkers was using a 2013 macbook air to render heavy VFX simulations. performant code is king.

It seems that @Warren Heaton10841144 and verious devs are unaware that they're doing something which enables performance the rest of us, and the support teams don't know about (if they did, my 7 calls to them in the last year would have done something more than gotten visual studio SDK 2003 to 2019 and nvidia's studio drivers installed. they gave up after that, saying I was a lost cause.) Whatever your secret sauce is, neither you nor us knows what it is, but for me, premiere never worked like that, even when I was using it on purpose made workstations during a class on video editing. I can only assume you have a NASA supercomputer if it was all rendered at once the moment you hit play to preview an adjustment, and it all fit on RAM.

@Fresh Squeezed Creative gonna be learning soon. haven't gotten started with Nuke. super busy, hope someone hires me soon so I can actually focus on learning new things. Resolve is pretty good as a replacement for Premiere, but some of the usability choices, like how zooming in works, are pretty iffy. Resolve's menus aren't very easy to resize either. I'm used to nodes 'cause I do VFX a lot, so they'll probably be easier for me than most. The biggest paradigm shift is that you have to explicitly tell the program how to manage plates, where in AE you have the assumption that all active plates can interact with one another as layers that always exist somewhere.

@Warren Heaton10841144 that similarity to physical systems is what makes AE and premiere so amazing. everyone agrees- it's approachable, easy to understand, and deserves better than "a small team that's doing its best to answer the users' concerns". we're not here because we hate it, we're here because we love it, and wish Adobe treated it (and by extension, us.) with an appropriate level of respect.

@Marc Trzepla 

The prior version of Premiere's interface was modeled after film A/B editng.  While that allowed anyone who's edit film in that manner to quickly get to work, it was missing a fairly long list of features that other NLEs were providing (namely Avid Media Composer) like multuple tracks for picture and sound and both a Source window and a Program window.  It also didn't handle much more than 240p15.  Even with third party hardware from Radius, Targa, and Pinnacle that allowed for 480i60 and 486i60, the software needed to offer more if it was going to be used for broadcast and cable rather than just multimedia.  It was pretty fantastic for the time period, though, but I'm not sure the former version of Premiere was destined to win an Oscar for technical achievement like After Effects has.

Also for the mid-1990s, while After Effects paired up with Photoshop would take longer than what it competed against for broadcast graphics (largely due to hardware limitations - the Quadra 840AV was wicked fast for a desktop computer, but slow compared to proprietary video graphics hardware), the finished product looks just as good as systems costing a few hundred thousand dollars.

While technical issues come up, After Effects is not remotely in the same place Premiere was before it was deprecated in favor of Premiere Pro.

I’m honestly curious what the difference in circumstances are that Premiere’s code was re-written from the ground up to become Premiere Pro, but the same doesn’t -seem- to be the plan for After Effects.  I’d understand if AE was a niche product that only a handful used and not worth the investment of time/money, but that’s certainly not the case here.

@nubnubbud HOW* is the learning curve with Nuke? Gosh I cannot type on this new Pixel phone to save my life *facepalms*

@nubnubbud Hos is the learning curve with Nuke?