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Max_Ramuschi
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December 27, 2013

P: ICC Table Profiles clipped shadows under OSX

  • December 27, 2013
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Hi, I've just found a really bad issue occurring in Lr 5 (but also in all other Lightroom versions) under Mac OSX 10.9 with a calibrated monitor: dark shadows (from a value of 20 to 0) are all clipped (pure black with no detail and no textures) while the histogram remains ok, indicating NO clipped shadows at all. This issue afflics also ACR.

Photoshop for now is the only software under MAC that reproduces dark shadows correctly: Library Module shows a bit darker and shifted shadows than Ps but acceptable, Develop Module is really bad showing brutally clipped shadows (but you work in the Develop Module right?!).

The same problem occurred also in OSX 10.8 but it was related only to LUT profiles, creating a Matrix based profile problems were solved.

Now the issue occurs with both Matrix and LUT profiles, v2 and v4. There's no apparent way to make Lr working right.

Under Windows no problems at all: Bridge, Photoshop, ACR, Lr (Library Module and Develop Module) show the same correct NOT clipped shadows.

I tested 8 different Mac running 10.9 with different GPU, different monitors, different profiling Softwares (Color Eyes Display Pro, Eizo Color Navigator, BasICC Color, i1 Profiler). Same results.
I tried to change the gamma value (2.2, sRGB, L*) problems remain. I tried to change ICC version (v2, v4) problems reamain. I tried to change profile type (LUT, MATRIX) problems remain.

How can a photographer work professionally on RAW images if shadows are bad reproduced?

Why Photoshop can reproduce shadows correctly while Lr isn't able to do that?

Why this happens only on a Mac enviroment?

Is Lr based on ColorSync (that can't handle profiles correctly) while Ps isn't (because it can handle and it has no problem)?

Please Adobe, FIX IT for all professional photographers, we can’t use Lr for serious works under Mac.

Max Ramuschi
Adobe Certified Expert

p.s.: Added a 100% Crop screenshots that shows the problem, some photos are even worse...

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166 replies

Max_Ramuschi
Known Participant
December 1, 2014
Jeffrey and Eric, the problem is NOT solved: matrix (polynomial) gamma based ICC profiles are now ok, BUT table gamma based profiles are exactly like before! Crushed black tones with no details! It seems you've found and solved one of the bugs, but not the other!

Again, with table gamma based ICC profiles, Lr shows dark, clipped shadows while Photoshop is ok.

Please moderators, change the status of this thread: it's not solved. This thread is about table based gamma profiles, and they are still not well supported.

I'm waiting for a response.
MadManChan2000
Adobe Employee
Adobe Employee
November 19, 2014
Thanks for the update, Hans.
MadManChan2000
Adobe Employee
Adobe Employee
November 19, 2014
Thanks for following up, Jao.
Inspiring
November 19, 2014
Thank you Adobe! :)
The shadows problem is 100% fixed here, now the fun begins. I can migrate back to Lightroom. Bye bye Capture One!
Inspiring
November 19, 2014
if I set Adobe 98 as monitor profile, (well, testing only..) both LR and Photoshop is 100% same. Eizo CX 240
Inspiring
November 19, 2014
and different colors also, I think LR doesn't "see" the calibrated profile at all and using the native factory Eizo profile
Inspiring
November 19, 2014
tested and not worked for me :-(
still much darker shadows...
Community Expert
November 19, 2014
Thanks. I tested it and it seems to fix the problem at least for me. Very happy.
Legend
November 19, 2014
Should be fixed in Lightroom 5.7: http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjourn...
Inspiring
November 18, 2014
Same question. Refreshing the Adobe Labs page automatically twice an hour for many weeks and also that RSS feed on high priority, and monitoring all the Twitter thingies and also this forum... but still nothing. :(
Maybe for Christmas?