P: Output Sharpening and Noise Reduction not working.

Hi Rob,

Really kind of you to weigh in. Thank you.

I've just tried it out. Definitely the same problem. Less than 1/3, no sharpening, no local clarity adjustments, no noise reduction. Full size export, adjustments applied but "lost" when re-sizing in external applications (ie. sharpness is lost during the resize process).

Lightroom 5.3 (using CC, so always up-to-date).

Result: Problem is not "solved".

Adobe thinks they've solved this particular problem, and for many of us - they have.

Begging the question - is it the same problem, or a similar but different one.

Have you found that exports (even a tiny bit) above 1/3 have noise reduction and/or sharpening applied, whereas those (even a tiny bit) below 1/3 size do not? If so, then it is the same problem, otherwise not.

If it's the same problem, then consider stating your operating system here, and the version of Lightroom (the part after the dot too).

If it's a similar but different problem, consider a new thread - it seems to me lots of Mac users are complaining of similar problem, but maybe Windows users are too - dunno.

PS - I'm just a poor user like you - not Adobe..

I'm sorry. Why is the issue marked as "solved"? I have spent MONTHs getting to grips with Lightroom and finally, I'm producing images that I'm happy with. I decide to export an image for some online feedback - and guess what? No sharpening or clarity local adjustments are translated into the export. No noise reduction is translated into the export. Essentially my work is lost on export.

I'm more than just a little annoyed. Lots of money and MONTHS of work, yet wholly unable export images and have them represented as presented in Lightroom?

I can find two versions of the current status:

1) Live with it, just export full size and use another tool to resize.

- Really? That's the "solution"?
- This means a loss of quality as sharpening is non-proportional.
- This means a loss of quality as noise reduction is all but "lost" as external tools are sharpening on the resize.
- How can it be that a major product developer - ONE YEAR after a bug has been identified - is happy to simply tell users "this product is the industry standard for RAW development, but your work is lost on export."

2) "Resolved"

- I'm using CC, so I'm always "up-to-date", as of this morning, this is NOT resolved.

So, Adobe, what's the status here?

Regards,

A disappointed and Angry Consumer.

Judging from your fresh bug report, I'm gleaning the output sharpening was not a panacea for you?

But since most people are not having the problem you are, and Adobe hasn't chimed in recently whether they can reproduce problem or not, it would behoove you to determine for sure whether develop sharpening is being applied, or not, and whether output sharpening is being applied, or not.

Just claiming your exports are not as sharp as you expect will not garner much traction... - they/we have heard it before, a million times (because it's normal and a result of unrealistic albeit reasonably arrived-at expectations).

Know what I mean?

Put another way: HOW much sharpening was lost? - *all* of it, or just some of it. And you have to understand and state that all assessment was done at 1:1 otherwise everything else gets dismissed... - seriously: if you want a remedy, you have to play this game!

~R.

Thanks!

Good to hear Derek. For the context of this discussion you can think of output sharpening as being completely independent of develop sharpening. The idea is:

* sharpen only to the point that it looks good in develop module at 1:1 (but do not oversharpen), then
* use output sharpening in accordance with the actual output medium (e.g. screen versus paper) to *preserve* the sharpness that you see in develop module at 1:1 on the output medium.

In other words, Lr will output a slightly softer version if there is no output sharpening, so if you want sharp output, you need output sharpening too.

Although output sharpening is relatively subtle compared to develop sharpening, it is still a critical element of the process.

Cheers,
Rob

Thanks Rob for the speedy reply,

I did not have output sharpening checked at all when exporting. 1:1 is exactly the same in Develop and Library mode.

I think that fixed my problem. I am an amateur and do not have a lot of experience working with Lightroom. For future reference, is the output sharpening directly related to the develop sharpening? (Like one wont work without the other, or controls the other) or are they completely different ways to add sharpening?

Thank for the help though!

Library module is notoriously soft compared to develop module - in fit view I mean, more at some some resize ratios than others.., but the 1:1 view should be very close to what you see in develop module at 1:1 - is it not?

And exports should be fully sharpened if you have output sharpening set to "Standard" (judge at 1:1 only).

Try this:
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With output sharpening set to zero, crank sharpening to max (and export) then set sharpening to zero (and export) then compare the exports at 1:1. If they are the same, then there is a bug for sure (Lr is dropping the develop sharpening), if they are different, then something else is going on - may still be a bug, but the characteristics really need to be nailed down.

Also try this:
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Leave develop sharpening at zero, and repeat the experiment above *except* vary output sharpening from zero to max (instead of develop sharpening). The goal of this part is to determine whether output sharpening is having any effect whatsoever...

Library module is notoriously soft compared to develop module (in fit view I mean, more at some some resize ratios than others.., but the 1:1 view should be similar to what you see in develop module at 1:1 - is it not?

And exports should be fully sharpened if you have output sharpening set to "Standard" (judge at 1:1 only).

Try cranking sharpening to max (and export) then set sharpening to zero (and export) then compare them at 1:1. If they are the same, then there is a bug for sure (Lr is dropping the sharpening), if they are different, then something else is going on - may still be a bug, but the characteristics really need to be nailed down.

Hi I am new to this site, but I am experiencing a very similar problem.

I just downloaded Lightroom version 5.4. When I switch from Develop mode to Library mode, my sharpening edits disappear. I also loose the sharpening when I export to jpeg.

Any suggestions?