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P: Preset hover preview incorrect for Incremental Temperature / Tint

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October 22, 2019
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[This bug still exists in LR 10.0. See here for sample images to test with:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-preset-hover-preview-incorrect-for-incremental-temperature-tint/5f5f46154b561a3d4272bc43?commentId=5fc3e345ce4ce1357af23986]

The preview of a develop preset when hovering over it in the Presets panel is incorrect when the preset contains IncrementalTemperature and IncrementalTint values and the photo being edited is raw. To reproduce:

1. Open a non-raw in Develop and change Temp and Tint to +20.

2. Save a preset "Temp/Tint" with just White Balance checked.

3. Open a raw in Develop.

4. Hover the mouse over Temp/Tint and observe the change to the photo.

5. Click on Temp/Tint and observe there isn't any additional change to the photo (as expected).

6. Move the mouse pointer over the photo. Observe that the photo colors noticeably change.

7. Repeatedly move the mouse pointer back to over the Temp/Tint preset and then back over the photo and observe the change in colors.

Here's an example:

Original photo:

Develop Loupe view with mouse hovering over Temp/Tint preset:

Develop Loupe view after applying Temp/Tint preset with mouse over photo:

Tested on LR 8.4.1 / Mac OS 10.14.6 and Windows 10.

See here for the original report:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/Lightroom-Classic/Issues-with-Preset-loupe-view-in-Lightroom/m-p/10683152#M160260

Here's another preset that exhibits similar symptoms, though it doesn't contain IncrementalTint/Temperature, but apparently only when applied to Canon EOS R raws:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-preset-hover-preview-incorrect-for-...

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johnrellisAuthor

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Based on past experience, it takes at least 1, usually 2, release cycles for an acknowledged bug to get fixed. But many bugs take much longer, and many more never get fixed. (LR releases about once every two months.) Adobe rarely says when bugs will be fixed, so we just have to wait.

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Anonymous

So, is Adobe going to fix this bug or are they hoping that no one will notice?

johnrellisAuthor

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Perhaps its best to keep one topic for now, since the symptoms overlap -- the preset hover preview doesn't match the applied preview -- though some of the details are different.

adriandavidpayne

Known Participant

The issues still happens using a preset containing a Canon Lens Profile applied to an EOS R CR3 Raw file. I am convinced the problem lies in "Adobe Color" in the Profile section as this shift does not happen if another Profile such as "Camera Standard" is chosen and saved into a preset. Below is the preset with the Canon Lens Profile that still exhibits the color shift/hover behavior:

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Todd Shaner

Legend

Rikk, the incremental WB Temp & Tint preset issue (i.e. created with JPEG and applied to raw) appears to affect all camera models.
The second example preset https://console.getsatisfaction.com/photoshop_family/conversations/lightroom-preset-hover-preview-in... created with a Sony ARW raw file contains actual (i.e. relative) Temp and Tint values. I only see the rollover issue when it is applied to EOS R CR3 raw files. The only "camera specific" setting in that preset is the Sony lens profile. This should have no affect on color rendering so it appears this issue is unique to the Canon EOS R camera.
The actual root cause may be related, but from my testing the second preset issue using relative WB Temp & Tint settings is clearly Canon EOS R camera specific.

Rikk Flohr_Photography

Community Manager

John, If we have two distinct issues here that do not overlap we should probably fork that topic. It will make things more actionable for writing bugs and reporting to the Lightroom Classic team.

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org

Todd Shaner

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I can confirm the rollover color shift after applying a2zproductions preset to a Canon EOS R CR3 file, but not with a Nikon D750 NEF or Canon 5D MKII.