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P: Preset hover preview incorrect for Incremental Temperature / Tint

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October 22, 2019
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[This bug still exists in LR 10.0. See here for sample images to test with:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-preset-hover-preview-incorrect-for-incremental-temperature-tint/5f5f46154b561a3d4272bc43?commentId=5fc3e345ce4ce1357af23986]

The preview of a develop preset when hovering over it in the Presets panel is incorrect when the preset contains IncrementalTemperature and IncrementalTint values and the photo being edited is raw. To reproduce:

1. Open a non-raw in Develop and change Temp and Tint to +20.

2. Save a preset "Temp/Tint" with just White Balance checked.

3. Open a raw in Develop.

4. Hover the mouse over Temp/Tint and observe the change to the photo.

5. Click on Temp/Tint and observe there isn't any additional change to the photo (as expected).

6. Move the mouse pointer over the photo. Observe that the photo colors noticeably change.

7. Repeatedly move the mouse pointer back to over the Temp/Tint preset and then back over the photo and observe the change in colors.

Here's an example:

Original photo:

Develop Loupe view with mouse hovering over Temp/Tint preset:

Develop Loupe view after applying Temp/Tint preset with mouse over photo:

Tested on LR 8.4.1 / Mac OS 10.14.6 and Windows 10.

See here for the original report:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/Lightroom-Classic/Issues-with-Preset-loupe-view-in-Lightroom/m-p/10683152#M160260

Here's another preset that exhibits similar symptoms, though it doesn't contain IncrementalTint/Temperature, but apparently only when applied to Canon EOS R raws:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-preset-hover-preview-incorrect-for-...

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adriandavidpayne

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It's happening on the Nikon D750 as well.

johnrellisAuthor

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Rikk,

a2zproductions' preset problems have somewhat different details from the recipe I posted: the problem preset doesn't contain IncrementalTemperature/Tint, it seems to apply only to one camera (Canon EOS R), and it appears limited to just Adobe profiles.

Would you prefer to fork it into a separate topic or leave it here? I updated the original post to include a link to his subthread here, but it might get lost in the noise...

adriandavidpayne

Known Participant

*UPDATE* I just discovered that the problem seems to be isolated to the Adobe Raw Profiles only. If I use any of the Adobe Raw profile to create my preset the behavior is shift in color orange/red when hovering off the preset panel. If I chose another Profile such as Camera Standard, Legacy Camera Neutral, everything functions properly. Make sense? This just in, I heard from a friend that it is happening on the Nikon D750 as well. hmmmmm.

adriandavidpayne

Known Participant

This is all getting a bit convoluted. The deal is, and I have confirmed this... Presets work perfectly normal on my Canon 5D MKII, Canon 5D MKIII, Canon 5D MKIV, & Sony A7 III Raw Files. When using the same exact preset on a Canon EOS R RAW file, the preset only looks normal when hovering over the preset in the preset panel then goes orange/red when the preset is applied and the mouse is no longer hovering over the preset panel. As someone who works exclusively in RAW, this Bug with the Canon EOS R Raw files is making my workflow slow to a crawl.

Todd Shaner

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I did some more checking and the Temp & Tint preset does not change the raw file WB settings by an incremental amount. The WB settings are in fact set to a specific amount determined by the 0-100 Temp & Tint setting used when creating the JPEG preset. Using Temp and Tint settings of +20 produce fixed Temp 6477 and Tint +27 settings when applied to any raw file regardless of its WB setting. Using Temp & Tint 0 settings when creating the preset produce Temp 5001 and Temp +10 when applied to a raw file.

This is most likely not the user's intent when creating a JPEG preset with Temp & Tint settings so of little use when applied to to a raw file. In fact "relative" preset capability was requested nine years ago at the below post and still has not been implemented.

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/relative_presets_would_save_the_day.

However, you can apply an "incremental" Temp & Tint adjustment in the Develop module to a raw file is by using a local adjustment as outlined at the below link.

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/relative_presets_would_save_the_day?topic-rep...

johnrellisAuthor

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With the IncrementalTemperature/Tint preset, #3 (Loupe view of the preset applied to a raw image) matches the appearance in LR 6.14 of a preset with the same settings applied to the same raw image.

That indicates that #3 is the long-standing behavior of such presets.

Todd Shaner

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#2 & #3 produce visibly different results? YES

This visual difference extends to export as well? The export file looks like the raw when NOT hovering over the preset as expected.

Of the two, #2 or #3, which is correct or most correct? #3 is correct when not hovering over the preset

LR 8.4.1 on Windows 10 version 1902

adriandavidpayne

Known Participant

Rikk,
I just tried what you suggested. Since I shoot both RAW & JPG, I took 2 files from yesterday's shoot and dropped them into Lightroom. The JPG didn't experience the color shift after applying the preset. The RAW file shifted to red/orange as soon as I applied and hovered off of the preset panel. & Yes, the shift extends to export as well.

adriandavidpayne

Known Participant

You're Absolutely Right! I just checked the same preset with some files from my Sony A7 III, Canon 5DMK II & Canon 5D MK III. None of those cameras Raw files exhibit this behavior. So it's camera specific to the Canon EOS R.

Rikk Flohr_Photography

Community Manager

Before filing this bug I need additional information.

Workflow:

Select non-raw file and create preset containing relative WB slider adjustments.
Select raw file and mouse over preset created in step 1 - move over image area.
Apply preset

Result:

#2 & #3 produce visibly different results?
This visual difference extends to export as well?
Of the two, #2 or #3, which is correct or most correct?

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org

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