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October 22, 2019

P: Preset hover preview incorrect for Incremental Temperature / Tint

  • October 22, 2019
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[This bug still exists in LR 10.0. See here for sample images to test with:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-preset-hover-preview-incorrect-for-incremental-temperature-tint/5f5f46154b561a3d4272bc43?commentId=5fc3e345ce4ce1357af23986]

 

The preview of a develop preset when hovering over it in the Presets panel is incorrect when the preset contains IncrementalTemperature and IncrementalTint values and the photo being edited is raw. To reproduce:

1. Open a non-raw in Develop and change Temp and Tint to +20.

2. Save a preset "Temp/Tint" with just White Balance checked.

3. Open a raw in Develop.

4. Hover the mouse over Temp/Tint and observe the change to the photo.

5. Click on Temp/Tint and observe there isn't any additional change to the photo (as expected).

6. Move the mouse pointer over the photo. Observe that the photo colors noticeably change.

7. Repeatedly move the mouse pointer back to over the Temp/Tint preset and then back over the photo and observe the change in colors.

Here's an example:

Original photo:


Develop Loupe view with mouse hovering over Temp/Tint preset:


Develop Loupe view after applying Temp/Tint preset with mouse over photo:


Tested on LR 8.4.1 / Mac OS 10.14.6 and Windows 10.

See here for the original report: 
https://community.adobe.com/t5/Lightroom-Classic/Issues-with-Preset-loupe-view-in-Lightroom/m-p/10683152#M160260

Here's another preset that exhibits similar symptoms, though it doesn't contain IncrementalTint/Temperature, but apparently only when applied to Canon EOS R raws:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-preset-hover-preview-incorrect-for-...

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    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
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    October 24, 2019
    I updated the original post to include a link here.  (Product developers sometimes don't carefully read the entire bug report and miss things.)
    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
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    October 24, 2019
    As I suspected, this preset doesn't have IncrementalTemperature/Tint settings. I tried it on raws from several different cameras and didn't observe the bug. But I did observe the bug using this sample raw from the same camera you were using, a Canon EOS R.  And I also observed that changing the profile from Adobe Color to Adobe Monochrome and back then changed Loupe view to match the hover-preset preview, as you did.

    So there's something camera-specific about this preset, unlike the the one in my recipe.
    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
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    October 24, 2019
    I found at least 5 people reporting similar symptoms on the other forum. But so far, only you and I have clicked Me Too above.  The number of Me Too's influences Adobe in prioritizing bugs (it's one of many factors).  

    Adobe rarely discloses much about bug fixes, unfortunately.
    A
    Anonymous
    October 24, 2019
    There seems to be several more than just me that has this problem. Do we know how much of an effort it would take to fix the bug? and when we might expected to be fixed?

    adriandavidpayne
    adriandavidpayne
    Known Participant
    October 24, 2019

    As requested, here is the preset used in the Video I posted earlier in this thread that exhibits the color shifting after applying the preset Bug.

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    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
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    October 24, 2019
    Though there have been numerous reports of this bug on the user-to-user form for a while, unfortunately no one was advised to report it here.

    But now that it's here, the more it can be narrowed down, the more likely Adobe will be to fix it sooner. Your video is a good demonstration of the problem.  And if you upload the contents of one or two of your presets that exhibit this problem, then it will be more likely that your instance of the problem gets addressed.  (I.e. if your problem isn't caused by IncrementalTemperature/Tint, and Adobe doesn't have any way to reproduce your problem, then it won't get fixed.)
    adriandavidpayne
    adriandavidpayne
    Known Participant
    October 24, 2019
    It happens to random presets.  I have 100s of presets I've created personally, some with Treatment & Profile checked and not checked.  The fact is, it's a BUG that needs to be addressed.  I've tried posting this elsewhere only to be reprimanded by the forum "Hall Monitors".  I make a living using Lightroom and I've paid Creative Cloud monthly for years now.  I just want to draw attention to the problem so I can get back to work without this BUG slowing my workflow to a crawl with my daily projects.

    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
    Legend
    October 24, 2019
    To answer that, I think we'd need to understand how IncrementalTemperature/Tint get applied to raw photos.  
    Todd Shaner
    Todd Shaner
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    October 23, 2019
    Hmm, I still see the misbehavior when Treatment & Profile is selected creating the preset.
    My bad! I created a new JPEG develop preset instead of modifying the existing preset and it does exhibit the rollover shift with 'Treatment & Profile' checked.
    Todd Shaner
    Todd Shaner
    Legend
    October 23, 2019
    I wonder why the 5D MKII so much less pronounced compared to other camera models?
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