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P: Text layer inconsistent property values (new in 13.0.5 / 13.0.1.2)

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June 5, 2013
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I'm opening a new topic regarding the new text problems introduced with Photoshop 13.0.5 (Mac) and 13.0.1.2, which seem like a result of attempting to fix earlier font-size reporting issues.

This is worse than before, because:

1) It happens a lot more often (I can open a new file and reproduce the bug easily).
2) Now some properties are "scale aware" and some aren't, resulting in quite a messy experience when editing text.

Bug A (OS X, 13.0.5):

1) Open a new photoshop file.
2) Create a text layer, type a word, commit.
3) Using the transform layer tool, scale the layer up significantly (say 200-300%)
4) Using the text tool, select the word, copy.
5) Using the text tool, click empty area to create a new text layer, paste.

Expected: Same text size the layer I copied AFTER scaling it.
Actual: Smaller text as the text layer was originally created.

Bug B (OS X, 13.0.5):

1) Create a text layer with "add space after paragraph" to 10pt.

2) Scale the text layer using the transform tool to 300%.

Expected: "add space after paragraph" must show as 30pt now, and render as 30pt.

Actual: "add space after paragraph" shows as 10pt, *BUT RENDERS* as 30pt.

The same bug may apply to other text layer settings (kerning, tracking etc.).

The result can be two text fields with identical settings, yet different rendering, example file:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0hnlf2e8dzs...

Bug C (Windows, 13.0.1.2):

After scaling a text layer with the transform tool, I observe "magical" multiplication of the values I enter for various properties of the text layer, like "add space after paragraph".

I enter there 10, hit enter, the text box becomes 20.
I enter 20, hit enter, the text box becomes 40.

This also happens with the other settings. For example:

I enter "Tracking" 50, the text box becomes 21.
I enter 21, the text box becomes 8.
I enter 8, the text box becomes 3.

Obviously, that makes any text editing very hard.

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David Mohr

Participating Frequently

Howdy Garconis,

We are actively working on a fix for this bug. Hopefully, it will be available soon.

Thanks,
David

Garconis

Known Participant

Has this been fixed yet? Still having an issue. Photoshop says it's on v 13.0.1 x64.

Scaling issue occurs when using our resize script (down-scaling). We have a script that down-scales a given image once (with a text layer) to 800px, then changes text to different word, and saves JPEG, then different word, and saves again. Each time the text changes and it's saved, the font-size in the resulting JPEG gets larger and larger for some reason.

If you (Adobe) needs to view our script, just let us know and we can post/host it. (Note, this script worked perfectly fine before this "update").

David Mohr

Participating Frequently

Howdy Brady,

In CS5 and previous versions, transforming text worked the same way. We changed it in CS6 to accommodate Type Styles. We heard from users and this was not what people wanted, as I'll explain below...

In CS5, if a user transformed type, we displayed a new point size, but under the hood, we actually retained the old size and transformed it (the reason is technical and way too long to share). If a user then entered a new point size, we would APPEAR to use that, but in reality (again, for technical reasons), we would maintain the transformation scale and use the reciprocal value to set the actual point size. That said, the new size would apparently trump the old one for most purposes. Example, 12pt Tahoma transformed to 300% would show 36pt but would actually be 12pt text at x3 magnification. If a user then changed the point size to 30pt, it would show 30pt but would actually be 10pt text at x3.

In CS6, we thought it would be more valuable for customers to maintain the transform. So when you change point size, the new value is whatever you enter multiplied by the scale. Using the same example, if a user then changed the point size to 24pt, we would show 24pt but it would display at 24pt x3, or roughly 72pt. Based on overwhelming user feedback, this was a bad call and we reverted it in the latest version of the dot-release and in CC.

In CC/CS7, a new bug crept in at the 11th-hour and we're working on a fix now. I have no ETA for the fix yet, but it was not a design or logic change, just a bug.

Hopefully that spells out the history of this feature a little and gives some context to what's going on and why.

Thanks,
David

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FeedbackCommunityMemberAuthor

Inspiring

Ah, I gotch ya. Makes sense.

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FeedbackCommunityMemberAuthor

Inspiring

We're in agreement, but we're talking about different properties.

Let me explain. Photoshop has *always* compensated font-size and so on when you scale with the transform tool, yes.

But some properties are scale-agnostic. Tracking -15 is still tracking -15 never mind the font-size and scaling. Other properties like line-spacing should scale with font-size because they're in points, however.

Every property has a specific semantic and 13.0.5 has most of them upside down. Tracking shouldn't be altered with scale, yet it does. Paragraph spacing should alter with scale, yet it doesn't.

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FeedbackCommunityMemberAuthor

Inspiring

Did CS5 actually resize the font to accommodate the increase using the scale tool? Cause I didn't think it did (or it might have been CS4 that I'm thinking of). Either way, I'll have to respectfully disagree with you guys about going back to CS5 on that aspect. I actually really like that PS adjusted for the scale in CS6 (despite the many other hang-ups I had with CS6). So when I used the scale tool to increase the size of a text field originally set up at 20 points, then it would auto adjust it to the font that it is currently being displayed at. This helped a lot for being more consistent with my fonts throughout artwork. So if I wanted some text at the same size, all I had to do was refer to the text size on the other layer. When using the scale tool in previous versions, it was a best guess as to what size I'd just made the font. And when you deal in print, you need to make sure you're not going under minimum font sizes on certain things.

Either way, it seems they are aware of it and are making headway on doing something about it. I wouldn't sweat it being an update that takes months to deploy. Within a couple of days of downloading CC, they already put out an update (I don't know what it did), so I think it shows they have no problems deploying fixes as soon as needed. Fortunately, if I get desperate, I haven't removed CS6 yet and can use it if needed.

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FeedbackCommunityMemberAuthor

Inspiring

I feel as if a heavy weight was lifted off my shoulder, phew.

Good luck with it, David!

David Mohr

Participating Frequently

This is a bug and it's been logged. Hopefully, we'll have a solution soon.

Thanks,
David

DaveChap

Known Participant

I'm having these issues too! I put video examples on this post:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

Garconis

Known Participant

Having a similar issue with the tracking. Somehow I choose -25 from the dropdown for the tracking, but then it shows the adjustment as -12 in the text box. If I manually type in something like -100 in the text box, then it ends up being -25. Seriously?

Text should NOT be treated this way. Once text is transformed or adjusted, it shouldn't matter what it USED to be. If I type in -100 tracking, that's what I want to see.

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