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October 15, 2018

P: Transform/Resize is constrained by default - Want ability to go back to legacy behavior

  • October 15, 2018
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When selecting a layer and dragging a corner handle with the shift (or alt-shift) key pressed, the resize proportion isn't constrained. This started with this most recent update.

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Inspiring
December 13, 2018
> The most interesting thing, is their silence on this. Not a peep.>

I've noticed that, too, although those who are usually here probably had nothing to do with the decision. But no one has come forward to explain this.

If they did go ahead and do what others ask for by making everything  constrain proportions without the Shift key, that still wouldn't solve anything. If the reason for this was to be more in line with other programs and apps, they'd be out of step again, since the apps that use the Shift key to freely distort raster appear in my experience to use Shift to constrain transforming vector. So like I said before, there don't appear to be any good consistent rules out there.

It just plain out needs to be an option, and I think the best place for that would be exposed on the Options bar—link, everything is constrained and its a sticky setting; unlink and everything is freely distorted and also that's a stick setting. Then we could use a modifier to temporarily do the opposite. The link and having sticky settings, as well as modifier overrides that are temporary, are all conventions used in many different programs, and throughout features in Adobe. So. . . Why is that such a problem to implement?

At least if it poses endless troubles for Adobe, couldn't someone who does this sort of thing for a living come and explain that to us? I remember Chris Cox would tell us why it was so when we asked for something on the U2U forum that was untenable (under current hardware and software constraints). He wasn't the most popular person for coming on and saying "no can do." But he was helping us "accept the things we can't change."
Known Participant
December 13, 2018
Dennis,

I personally am not on board with AI too much, because that means the "software engineer" is the artist and not me. In which case there will be no need left for artists to provide beautifully designed imagery or exist. There is a point of speeding up certain processes, but when it comes to creativity, allowing AI and the "one button solution" will not help artists and creatives in general. What that will do is have folks unfamiliar and uneducated into graphic design or photography simply apply some option without regard if it is appropriate or not with the image at hand. Like slap a sunset slider to a 12pm shot making it look ridiculous. Editing is decided by the image , and the creator of the photos' original vision; if we take every vision and turn it into a button/slider then we will have no more art or artists. 

AI would have its best use in situations where 200+ photos need the same treatment, but we already have that in Lightroom, so it's been covered. 

I think Adobe is trying to reduce the work involved in sending updates through the clouds; it would be easier to send 1 update for all platforms than ten, that I get, but in that case we need to have the option to turn off certain things that don't work for power/long time users since they are the ones who spend their days working in PS.
Known Participant
December 13, 2018
I hope that doesn't happen either Mark.

I doubt this change was requested by anyone in the professional community. My opinion of course. 

@907637: I don't want to sound defensive here, but the way I see this is like if you were working on a 200 layer document and you made a mistake on layer 4, and now you have to go all the way back to layer 4.  (Not you Joachim, "general" you/Adobe).

I think Adobe is looking to move forward with the technology and the options added into PS, and this was a mistake they made because they were influenced by a specific group. I am sure we won't know the details of this mistake, but hopefully, they will be able to back track to "layer 4" and fix it for us so we can continue working smoothly. I keep my hopes up because I know these engineers work really hard to create this amazing program for us, so I don't think there is any ill intent towards users considering that users own the wallets to pay for this software, and can zip them up if this goes too further south.

My concern in regards to the iPad/iPhone thing is for Photoshop to not become Final Cut Pro like. I used to have and use Final Cut Pro and then it got chopped to pieces around 2012 and turned into total crap, so I hope this won't happen to Photoshop and the rest of the programs in the suite. 
Inspiring
December 13, 2018
I agree with you Cristen. Adobe likely has up to 14M Photoshop users. As you can imagine, as much as 80% of them are not dependent on Photoshop for their daily income. 
They also are less likely to be impacted by any change.
There is another company, Affinity Photo, that is hot on the heals of Adobe. While it will take a long time, years, it is likely that Adobe will redirect some of their resources to growth in other areas rather than fight an uphill battle. 
I haven't seen it but I know that Affinity also has an ipad product.
AI, Artificial Intelligence, for example, offers some great new avenues for software development. Then the question comes, do we go in that direction or somewhere else.
Will investing in AI give a good return? Does creating a Photoshop product for iPad have a better return?
So many questions!
But you are right. A unified effort with many is the best possible way to get their attention.
donbarrum
Inspiring
December 13, 2018
Absolutely, I'm glad for the features Photoshop has, don't get me wrong. It's still the nr. 1 program for most artists and photographers for a reason. And a lot of what they have done is amazing. 
But I still think new features in or even the smallest bug requests to fix takes too much effort to get heard. I don't want to place each feature request and fight with claws and nails to get people to upvote them until eventually Adobe listens. Like the brush palette features that came in 2017 (folders etc), finally!, but that was a feature that hundreds had been crying out loud for for many many years - and you allready go plugins better than what adobe eventually made because people got tired of waiting. Same for color wheel, and same for smoothing brush stroke feature....

So yeah I'm really happy about what Photoshop is, but I wish features were added slightly faster and more bug and features reports were heard or at least discussed!! 

Like this complaint about the uniform scale is a good example. Not a single voice from adobe, no arguments or reason or any hint that they care at all what people thinks. From my experience, they will never change this back! Or they will let it stay like this for 2-3 years and maybe consider it IF enough people complains years over years, they might add an option for it....eventually.  

...so yeah, it's kinda hard to "act like a community" when this is the general feeling a lot of users have. 
Known Participant
December 13, 2018
The most interesting thing, is their silence on this. Not a peep.

I wonder if it means they do understand, and are being careful about their response to this.

What I hope does not happen, because I see a lot of folks suggesting this. Is that they go ahead and change ALL relevant scale tools in all programs to behave like this. So in all programs, SHIFT is unconstrain. That would personally blow my mind.

Make this current behavior an option for those that want it, and resort back to the way it was.
Inspiring
December 13, 2018
> because I feel that Adobe only listen to a minimum of requests and need 1000 people to stand up and scream before they even consider anything from the community....sadly. >

That's kind of like not voting and just hoping the candidate you like wins.  I don't know where all Adobe goes to get ideas to work on, or how long our ideas would take to implement, if they chose to, but I'm sure that the more we contribute to the process, the better chance we have of getting something out of this.

No one of us is important enough to make them do anything. No 1000 of us are, either. But  the more we act like a community with some shared interests, like we have been throughout this thread, regardless of disagreements over who's an important customer, the more likely we are to get some of our ideas followed through on.

I've seen a few things over time that I kept on about come into being, and lot of things I heard others talk about that I didn't recognize would be so useful at the time, also happen. I don't think they sit around in a locked meeting room and invent all these changes on their own, and I'm rather glad I'm not using v2 of Photoshop.

We forget that they've done a lot when we're focused on what they've not done or what they've done that we don't like. I get frustrated and my language deteriorates rapidly—or maybe gets a lot more inventive—it's how you look at it. But a lot of the good done I'm sure has been due to our incessant complaining about this feature or that. They seem to move slower than a snail much of the time, but the competition is gaining on them, so that might act in our favor so long as we don't give up and we do speak out. Even if nothing comes of it for any specific feature, it's pretty certain that nothing can come of it if we say nothing.
RosaPerry
Inspiring
December 13, 2018
It seems that we aren't the only ones complaining about this crazy PS update. Apparently people have taken to Twitter to complain about cc 2019.

Interesting read from Creative Bloq team.
https://www.creativebloq.com/news/designers-are-not-happy-with-this-photoshop-update


Rosa
Warren Heaton
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 13, 2018
Heya, Joachim: I’m sure you hve some great suggestions as to how Photoshop might improve.

Take the time to create a forum post for each one, explain it as well as you can, and then encourage everyone you know to come vote for it. Festures requests with a high vote count get the most attention from the PS team.
donbarrum
Inspiring
December 13, 2018
I agree, well said. Also don't forget Photoshop is used by many different professions. I'm a digital artist, I use it to paint - never photography. And in my profession this new transform change is annoying as well, and I can't see anything positive coming from getting used to it. 

I wrote a looooong list myself of what improvements Photoshop actually need - in my frustration of the cc 2019 update which hardly can be called a v 0.1 update, imho. I wrote up features that would have been great and small improvements of current features that feels unfinished at the current stage. But I didn't bother to send it, because I feel that Adobe only listen to a minimum of requests and need 1000 people to stand up and scream before they even consider anything from the community....sadly.