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October 15, 2018

P: Transform/Resize is constrained by default - Want ability to go back to legacy behavior

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When selecting a layer and dragging a corner handle with the shift (or alt-shift) key pressed, the resize proportion isn't constrained. This started with this most recent update.

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Inspiring
December 13, 2018
Well said!
Known Participant
December 13, 2018

Dennis, I read the article, but I am not sure what you're specifically referring to. All those marketing campaigns need images, and those emails are designed between all these programs still, and a company like Travelocity will not sit there and wait longer to send out a campaign because designers have trouble with PS' tools malfunctioning. 

Myself as a photographer, I shoot for other people's marketing/advertising campaigns. My interior photos go forward to promote the interior designer, or sell a house, none of the photos I shoot for work end up on their walls or my walls as "wall art".

This is why these are professional products; they are designed to create advertising materials and other promotion materials for businesses or educational facilities like schools and colleges. 

The fact that amateurs can design different worlds and play with plug-ins is great, but the #1 purpose for these products is business advertising and not someone's personal greeting card. And no one should be offended by that either. Amateurs have a 'choice' in what program to use, they aren't bound to use Photoshop, professionals really don't, especially if they want to produce great work.

All the software we have available today from anyone who makes software can be used by both pro's and amateurs, my earlier point was in regards to the fact that those who use the software for work/business need to take priority when it comes to making major changes like this one. Someone who barely has a handle on Photoshop, and barely knows their way around it shouldn't be the deciding body as to what tools need to change. You won't walk up to TurboTax people and tell them that there needs to be less math in the program. Same here.


@Cristen:
>Again, I beg to disagree. I know many photographers who have good composition and exposure, but fail to do well in post and the image fails to be as good as it could be— along with photographers less skilled, perhaps, in the technical issues involved with capturing the image in camera, but who do excel in post>

"Photography" was and still is made from two major components: shooting & editing. Both are needed regardless of what editing steps are taken. Each photo needs something edited be it only contrast, or heavy facial retouching due to acne . In 99% of the professional cases, excluding Journalism where editing is not allowed as to not distort the facts reported, editing is required. 

However, the "concept" of a shoot be it a portrait session, a food shot, an interior shot is not done with what editing steps someone will take "later" 'unless' it is going to be a composite shot and not a photo of an actual subject on its own. Here's a visual example of what I am talking about: John Wilhelm. If you go on his website under "Best Off" https://www.johnwilhelm.ch/bestof you'll notice the images being composited were shot with "compositing" in mind. So, the subjects were positioned to where they were going to be placed in the composite shot. The light was adjusted and placed according with the overall light in the images so as to not look stupid. Yes, we can manipulate everything with Puppet Warp but for a composite to look great, you do have to shoot the photos with that in mind first. Now, if you go to Joe McNally's website https://portfolio.joemcnally.com/index you'll see his photos are about the subject and not a later composite shot. He isn't shooting that ballerina in a studio and later places her on that roof, he shot it on that roof and did minor editing in PS. 

I went to a proper photography school and not these ridiculous "piece together info" online training places, and the first thing we were taught was to always try to get the photo right in camera in regards to composition and light, and shoot in manual so we have full control of what's in front of us. If someone calls him/herself a "photographer" but relies on Photoshop to make that photo better that's not a photographer. That's just someone who hopes software engineers and "their skills" will help make their photo better. Later, we were taught how to edit different subjects, and most importantly "when" to stop editing. Some people go overboard with editing and it shows. The point is that if you want to call yourself a photographer you need to master both: shooting & editing. They are both needed to produce great work. If someone doesn't know how to edit, they need to learn. If someone doesn't know how to shoot, they need to learn. This is why photography programs should be reintroduced in colleges asap. Too much crap is being perpetuated online and people/new generations can't distinguish a good photo from a bad one anymore. 

Yes, if I shoot fine art flowers for example, I am free to decide what steps to make in editing to achieve the image I envisioned in my head before I took my camera out. However, I will not shoot a fine art flower shot until I find the flower I'm looking for = my subject. Sure, anything can be distorted in Photoshop, but then that's not making me a photographer anymore, it makes me a digital artist. There's a difference. Yes, I can paint a flower in Photoshop too if I have painting skills, but that's not making me a photographer anymore, it makes me a digital painter. "Photoshop" is a tool we need as photographers. In Ansel Adams days they used real dark rooms, now Photoshop is our main dark room since most other pro photographers except for sports and journalism photographers, shoot RAW and those images need to be edited. it's not a "want" to be edited" they actually 'need' to be edited.

I don't think Adobe is trying to be disruptive at all, but I do think sometimes a certain community of total newbies and amateurs is having an input and that's a problem for the rest of us who have deadlines to meet. And I mean the kind of amateurs who want to be fed everything with a spoon while they make no effort to actual learn something. I don't have a problem allowing amateurs access to BETA versions and so forth, but like I said before, those who work in PS every single day for hours and hours need to take priority when it comes to making changes that affect our work timelines and efficiency. 

I hope adobe puts back this tool to what it was, and focuses on improving other areas we actually need like previews for some filters etc.

Inspiring
December 12, 2018
Kudos! Well said!
Inspiring
December 12, 2018
> someones's photographic ability does not lie in Photoshop tools as most artists don't photograph something with Photoshop in mind. >

Again, I beg to disagree. I know many photographers who have good composition and exposure, but fail to do well in post and the image fails to be as good as it could be— along with photographers less skilled, perhaps, in the technical issues involved with capturing the image in camera, but who do excel in post. The best photographers are also often aware of what they can do in post, just as Ansel Adams was aware of what HE could do with the negative.

However, I accept that you didn't mean to denigrate the work of amateurs, or how important Photoshop is to many of them. I know that there are plenty of people out there who have no idea what it takes to do a good job, and think their every Facebook post is worth looking at without their making an effort for it. They think the computer does it all, or should, with a single push of a single button, and we here do know better.

 I did acknowledge that professionals are usually the most directly affected by changes as they are working to a deadline and still have to produce good product. I work to deadlines, too. I'm not at all unsympathetic, or even completely an outsider. I, too, was trained in graphic design, so I'm also not entirely unaware of what designers do and the many hats they have to juggle with extreme pressure on their time.

> Also, if people frown so badly at Elements and act insulted at the suggestion of using it,>

I don't think anyone frowns so badly at Elements, but they may well be insulted if they're told because they don't work for hire, they should be using Elements and not make any requests to Adobe for features that would enhance their experience with Photoshop. They're not all incapable of judging which application suits their needs best. Elements is great for certain types of creative endeavor, but not every creative endeavor. That's also why we have Lightroom something or other.

> Professionals aren't "limited" by this software in the least>

No, professionals aren't limited by the software. I said their use of it can be so highly specialized, they have no need for many of the features. That doesn't make them any less the professional. I do know some of them. Great work, but don't ask them to vote to combine Calcs with Apply Image in a single enhanced dialog. Don't even ask them to vote to include Scopes or enhance the Actions panel, or the many other features that could do with a boost. They probably don't care that so many ancient filters still don't have a preview, or don't run in 16 bit. I still acknowledge that those features they have need of are extremely important to their making a living—witness the many of us who use Free Transform on a daily basis (do we now change its name to Fixed Transform??), bringing down the house over the change. But just being a professional doesn't necessarily mean you have a need where many others might indeed have a need.

I think Adobe, in general,  try not to be this disruptive. And I don't believe they acted in bad faith here, although I expect to be pilloried for saying that. I don't think they really understood how difficult this was going to be, so they missed how easily they could have avoided all this. I don't know their job, either, so I guess that makes us equal on that score.

I absolutely do NOT want Adobe to dumb Photoshop down, or I'll be out of a program I can use. And I absolutely do want to see more flexibility in how we use it, not less. But for that, we all deserve a seat at the table. Good ideas can come from anywhere—just as bad ideas can come from anywhere too.
Inspiring
December 12, 2018
Perhaps everyone should take a look at the attached link if you want to see where Adobe is placing their business emphasis. Maybe what we are experiencing is the result of them going in another direction!
https://theblog.adobe.com/adobe-customer-highlights-2018-adobe-experience-business-awards/
Enjoy!
Inspiring
December 12, 2018


for those of us who've been using Photoshop for decades, the change to constraint modifiers is a frustrating break to our  workflow. It's reflexive to ADD a constraint by pressing modifiers. Pressing to REMOVE them is counter-intuitive. I'm willing to accept that some users might like the new way, but please allow us old lags to turn it off! I've got rid of it by using the text file trick in the AppData folder, but surely it makes more sense to put it into Preferences?
Every time you change long-established keyboard shortcuts (and I'm looking at YOU, Ctrl-F), you reduce usability for those who've been supporting you for years.
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December 12, 2018
@Cristen: With all due respect, someones's photographic ability does not lie in Photoshop tools as most artists don't photograph something with Photoshop in mind. It's usually the subject, composition and light that they are concerned with. "Photographs" are finished in Photoshop; they do not start in Photoshop.

My remark in regards to amateurs was precisely what was already mentioned after your reply: time efficiency. I retouch, I design graphics, I bounce between programs, and my clients want their images within a specific time frame. "Amateur" is not a derogative word. It isn't an insult either. It is a word that describes someone doing something for personal enjoyment instead of a salary. I know of plenty of amateurs who come up with great ideas, however, in the case of Photoshop and this tool, whomever came up with it failed to see the effect it will have on those who get paid to create images for others, and who have deadlines to meet. It may seem trivial for you, but every image you see in a grocery store went through Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign. Images you see in malls, on vehicles, on online shores, all went through these same programs, and there are people who are getting paid to create them, and these people were heavily inconvenienced by this change. Now, instead of focusing on the creative aspects of "X" design, we have to sit there and fiddle with a tool. That is time consuming, and unnecessary for us to do. When I mentioned amateurs above, I referred to those who show no respect towards professionals. Sadly, there are plenty in that category. So, it's hard to have respect for them, when they show no respect for us.
I usually ask amateurs to show respect for those of us who get paid to do different design and photo jobs and not meddle unless their idea will actually help us. My husband learned how to do Taxes when he was very young, and he's been doing our taxes for decades now, however, he does not involve himself in the software development teams at TurboTax our of respect for those who work there and know what they need to properly do their jobs. We ask for the same kind of respect. If we don't meddle into your field of work, please don't meddle in ours. 

Also, if people frown so badly at Elements and act insulted at the suggestion of using it, then how come Adobe hasn't discontinued it yet? Just curious. If there is so much aversion towards it how come it still exists? To me it seems logical that it would be discontinued if customers were that unhappy with that product.

In my option, I think certain amateurs prefer to brag they are using Photoshop (even if they're only using the Saturation slider) as a way to appear important. I've known such characters in my 20+ year experience with this program. 

Also, using curves versus levels as a photographer means nothing, I use what will give me the best result for the photo I am working on, and thankfully there are a million ways to accomplish something in PS. So, I didn't see the point in mentioning that small detail.

Professionals do not have a single workflow. Each image asks for something different unless someone is only shooting shoes on white background. 
"They know the software, are less limited than many a "professional" who specializes in a single workflow".
Professionals aren't "limited" by this software in the least. I use it for work and also for personal stuff. Always. "Limited" is the last word I would ever use to describe using Photoshop.
Inspiring
December 12, 2018
>  ALL of Adobe's customers deserve better IMHO; 'pro', 'amateur' or whatever.>

My feeling exactly!
Known Participant
December 12, 2018
absolutely, I don't have time to fiddle around and get used to changed tools that have over 10 years of muscle memory or however you want to call it. If I have to do 100 images and I get slowed down by 5 minutes each time I loose 500 minutes, more than a days work. 
Legend
December 12, 2018
@1043756 

I agree re the small efficiencies you mention. I've worked with and trained many people at work and lots wonder why some earn much more money. A huge part of the answer is efficiency when it comes to the small stuff that's done 100s of times per day.