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October 15, 2018

P: Transform/Resize is constrained by default - Want ability to go back to legacy behavior

  • October 15, 2018
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When selecting a layer and dragging a corner handle with the shift (or alt-shift) key pressed, the resize proportion isn't constrained. This started with this most recent update.

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Participant
March 18, 2019
Does that always preserve the exact color of the original? I would not trust that if color is critical.
odobostudio
Participating Frequently
March 18, 2019
I'm literally losing the will to live ... So I opened photoshop this morning - now I don't even see handles with the move tool selected !!!

What the hell are you guys doing over there at Adobe ... 

Spent 45 minutes googling to see if any one else has had this - and I find the following:

"Switch to rgb and then back to cmyk and they appear"

Which insanely makes it work - but honestly that's the solution - like somehow making the software refresh itself - it's a joke ... 

Honestly your strapline of:

Creative Cloud for business - Everything your organization needs to do exceptional creative work.

should have the sentence ... in the most inefficient and unprofessional way we could think of ... 

added to it ...

Adobe you have honestly blown my mind with how poorly you firstly executed this and then managed the fall out from it - with still seemingly no solution in sight ... 
Known Participant
March 13, 2019
Wow, Photoshop, what is going on? Are you intentionally trying to upset your loyal user base?
Known Participant
March 13, 2019
I opened it, still no fix !
Back to work on the previous version.
Charismatic_yogiB82A
Known Participant
March 12, 2019
Did anyone try 20.0.4 yet?
Legend
March 8, 2019
Thanks David,
 Again, I'm happy to try to share your voices and input with the team, but it would be far more effective if you want your perspectives really heard to join the Photoshop prerelease program
I'm afraid that I too have had bad beta experiences (I also had to let an Adobe beta tester go). I was left in no doubt that fundamental decisions were long gone by the time stuff was tested, and that the beta programme doesn't always attract great people (who are always way too busy).
 That said, it wasn't just one tool.  Many behaviors were changed.  That's why a fix isn't immediate.  
I kind of liked this better when I thought it was an oversight sorry.
 We TRULY want to get this right for users, including all the many and sundry fringe cases. 
OK but you guys recognise that shift-to-constrain is not a fringe case and that it's a decades-long design software convention (not just Adobe) which is used 100s if not 1000s of times per day by every designer/retoucher/3D artist - right? Keeping it consistent benefits all uses-cases and users of all levels, it's that fundamental.
 And believe me, there are multiple (conflicting) consistency arguments involved...8-(
But shift-to-constrain is shift-to-constrain, it's learn't right after pointing, clicking and dragging - no joke.

Changing it to shift-to-unconstrain requires changing it everywhere, including fully across CC. If that's not in the works, then this is way worse then any of us could imagine.

Re the internal consistency arguments: this isn't like a feature request, you're messing with something so fundamental (again, think clicking and dragging) that it's troubling to hear there's an argument about this.

e.g. 1st gear is 1st gear, it's a very bad idea to switch 1st gear to be reverse when driving on a different road.

Surely you and your team know all this?
marcuss78290490
Participating Frequently
March 8, 2019

Known Participant
March 8, 2019
Hi David, first of all thanks so much for addressing this problem. I am looking forward to the changes. Can you give us a timeframe ?
I never doubted you would not listen to the users and at the same time I wished you guys would have kept us in the loop a bit more frequently.
I also appreciate that you mentioned we can become part of the pre release program.
I appreciate that a lot but don't think that due to deadlines and tight retouch work schedules I ( and I am sure many of us) don't have the time to work with something that might have bugs and is still a work in progress.
I would wish that on the other hand you would network way more frequently with those users like me who make a living with photoshop, in my case as a photo retoucher, in other cases as a graphic designer, those whose tax return declares that
I think we should be the ones that should be asked first, on questions like what tools are missing, or what tools can be improved. 
If you say photoshop is a professional program, you have to connect with us professional users way better. In Forums, by invitation, by questionnaire , by invitation, etc.
I am sure there are many ways to connect better to us that these forums here.
Thanks again,
Andi

Participating Frequently
March 8, 2019
Sorry David, if you "truly" wanted to get this right, you would have consulted with actual users before baking in the changes and maybe even run a decent sized beta program and listen to the feedback. And if you "truly" wanted to get this right, you wouldn't have been basically silent for months. And, in addition, you could have given public explanations as to what YOU think the benefits were of completely screwing up the workflows of hundreds of thousands of professional users. But, sadly, you did nothing of the sort. It's what we've come to expect from Adobe. Joe Ely had a great song years ago called "My Hopes Up High" Well, they ain't very high at the moment. I mean, it's really not hard to get this right and any excuses you make for it, are just that - excuses. Why don't YOU, David, tell us exactly who was responsible for this and more importantly, why. And as far as joining some sort of "prerelease" program, sorry, got way better things to do with my time that ferret out your problems. I was invited once years ago to participate and the whole thing was like slave labor. Hell, even Schewe told me on the phone that there was no point in being part of the beta program as all the real decisions had already been made at Alpha and Adobe was just using the Beta to find bugs - for free. Just sayin'.
odobostudio
Participating Frequently
March 8, 2019
I feel like this removing the shift key - is a solution answering to a problem where people don't have direct access to a shift key when working on files ... ie... tablets - ipads etc ... (your not gonna have that onscreen keyboard pop up over half your screen to use it) ... that to me seems to be the only logical explanation as its not been changed in other software in the adobe suite ... ie software that you wouldn't really use on an ipad ... - illustrator - indesign all the other apps ... hence the inconsistency across the different packages

I don't use a tablet so have no idea if an identical version of photoshop exists for tablets/ipad in any useable form other than that weird one they made ages ago that i had on my iphone - like a super light version ... (red eye reduction and contrast - essentially edit basic stuff) ... maybe that software is about to drop or still in development via a port from desktop photoshop as we know it ... 

total speculation ... but thats all I can think that makes any sense as a reason for fixing something that (based on the feedback and backlash here) wasn't essentially broken ... 

who knows ...