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August 5, 2024

Productions - Recovered Clips - Changed Metadata

  • August 5, 2024
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I've been using Productions (currently on Premiere 24.3.0) for the past year on multiple feature docs and smaller projects.

 

The biggest problem I've faced is improper linking between clips in sequences and their sources in other projects. For example, a clip inside an edit sequence in a "Sequences" project won't "reveal in project" back to the source clip in a "Media" project in the same Production, even if it was cut into the sequence from that project/clip. I've experienced what many others have: "Recovered" clips being generated in the sequence project, Premiere unable to locate the source for a clip, etc. I've used all the known solutions to some degree of success [Reassociate Source Clips; dragging clips back into their home folder, Consolidate Duplicates] but ultimately this is a recurring issue.

 

I've experienced this in BOTH projects that were converted to Productions, and projects that originated as Productions, following all best practices for creating a Production and ingesting media, etc. 

 

I think I've come to understand at least one part of the root of the problem: differing metadate between the clip in the sequence project and the clip in the media project. I don't pretend to be an experience on metadata, but I believe this is metadata local to Premiere, not embedded in the file (which makes sense because the duplicates are linking to the same source at the Finder/Explorer level). The most common culprit in my experience is Premiere's Transcription feature. When comparing an original clip in a Media project, and its duplicate in the Recovered Clips folder in the Sequences project, often the only difference I can find is that one clip has been transcribed and the other hasn't. Let's say I'm an Assistant Editor, and I've got all the media ingested. I've given the Editor the green light to start cutting, but in the meantime I'm still logging footage in the background in the Media project. The editor cuts in a clip that hasn't been transcribed. I then have Premiere transcribe it in the Media project. Now Premiere sees these as 2 different clips, and can't reconcile them: it creates a "Recovered" clip in the Sequences project. Multiply this across a feature documentary and now I have a huge mess on my hands.

 

This is a major bug-- even if this is intended behavior, it is a huge workflow hangup, and reduces the effectiveness of two of the main benefits of Productions: the ability to segregate differents parts of the production into different projects, and the ability for multiple peopel to work in the same production simultaneously. I've been recommending Productions to Editors and AEs as the way to go for feature documentaries, but I've now had to include this caveat: a central part of the workflow is broken.

 

I would love for Adobe to address this. This could be a more powerful "Consolidate Duplicates" (options like "Favor transcribed clip" or "overwrite metadata fields", ability to select which clip becomes the "true" clip, etc.), a more powerful "Reassociate" command that provides some options for how to handle the clip to prevent future recurrences, or some kind of warning when you are altering metadata on a clip that is already in sequences in other projects ("Update clip in other projects?"), though this last concept points to a seaparate bug: "Video Usage" and "Audio Usage" are broken between projects in Productions.  

 

  

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Ryan Fritzsche
Inspiring
August 6, 2024

There is a known bug in 24.3 with multicam clips in productions creating multiple instances of the underlying master clips, with recovered clips bins or even just making copies of the clips in the target project.  I've been living with it for months now.  It is fixed in 24.5.  I updated today from 24.3 to 24.5 and the issue vanished in one of my productions where it had been happening with regularity.  I realize you may not be in a position to update your system mid-project, but I wonder if 24.5 would cure these issues in your situation as well.

R Neil Haugen
Legend
August 6, 2024

Your points are actually pretty well stated. And that issue of the metadata not following a clip from it's "Media" project to the "Sequences" project has been a huge hassle since Productions was created.

 

Not enough that I don't use it, as it is my staple method for everything in Premiere now.

 

But that issue is always, always, a pain point.

 

@Karl Soule' @Trent Happel  or any other staffer that can ,.. again, please! ... pass this on to the 'correct' people, feel free to pop in also.

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
Participant
August 6, 2024

Not sure I can edit the original post, so submitting more info per the "Bug Report" template:

  • Issue - In Premiere Productions, the link between clip in sequence and the same clip in the project bin is broken, when the source clip is in a different project from the sequence. Can't "reveal in project," and a "Recovered Clip" is created in the sequence project.
  • Adobe Premiere Pro version number: 24.3.0 (but I have encountered this bug on earlier versions)
  • Operating system - maOS Sonoma 14.5 (but I have encountered this bug on earlier OS versions)
  • System Info: CPU, GPU, RAM, HD:
    • CPU/GPU: M1 Max (have also encountered this bug on Intel-based Macs)

    • RAM: 64 GB

    • Hard Drive: reproduced using SSD and RAID HDD, via USB-C (3.0, 3.1) and TB3, and a shared LucidLink drive.

  • Video format: Various formats, doesn't appear to be tied to a particular format.
  • Workflow details: Occurs in Productions where Media and Sequences are in separate projects. Both in Productions built from scratch, and converted from traditional Premiere projects. 
  • Steps to reproduce - (Very important!) 1. Create Production with a Media project and a Sequences project. 2. Ingest media to Media project. 3. Create sequence in Sequences project. 4. Cut media from Media project into sequence in Sequence project (drag and drop, insert/overwite from Source monitor, etc., any method). 5. Save and closer projects. 6. Open Media project. 7. Transcribe clip in Media project. 8. Open Sequences project. 9. Open sequence from steps above. 
  • Expected result - Clip in sequence should have maintained link to source in Media project.
  • Actual result - There is now a "Recovered Clips" folder in the Sequences project, and the clip in the sequence no longer links back to the Media project.
Kevin-Monahan
Community Manager
Community Manager
August 5, 2024

The status of this bug report has been updated.

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio
Kevin-Monahan
Community Manager
Community Manager
August 5, 2024

Hi @bramdraper,

Thanks for filing your bug report and for the detailed information you provided. I'm Kevin from support, one of the moderators here. I hope I can get you some help soon.

 

I've been bitten by this bug in respect to clips in projects not originating in the original production, and it isn't pleasant. If this is happening from Productions created from scratch due to the transcription feature, that does sound quite serious.

 

You might try submitting details about your system and media, in addition to the notes you already provided. See, How do I write a bug report?

 

I will try to find out if this issue is already being worked on. Thanks for your cooperation and patience. I hope a developer will respond shortly.

 

Cheers,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio