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January 21, 2024

Upon opening, intermittent timeline red bar for projects/sequences resulting in poor performance

  • January 21, 2024
  • 40 replies
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Premiere Pro 24.1.0 (build 85)

Windows 10 Pro (version 22H2)

Intermittent issue, probably started with 23.6.2

Steps to reproduce:

1) Open premiere pro. Single click to open project from recent list.

2) Project opens, Editting workspace, to defaulting sequence/timeline. Issue:

It MAY have red line (performance concern) in the sequence timeline, or it may be yellow (performance ok). Red is much more common. When it is yellow, the system works perfectly, great performance, no dropped frames, no scrubbing delays. When it is red, dropped frames occur just running the sequence (no fast scrubbing required to get dropped frames).  Just to get it to run without performance issues, I have to select playback resolution to 1/2.

 

I have not been able to determine a sequence of events/keystrokes that lead to Red or Yellow consistently.  It happens with all projects/sequences I have tried (dozens). I have completed numerous performance improvement tasks (clearing cache, closing project, rebooting) with no change. 

64GB of RAM.

 

I look forward to your suggestions.

40 replies

Known Participant
January 22, 2024

Also, until the last upgrade, I had no issues.  So, it's kind of suspicious to me... Things usually don't just happen. The big thing that HAS changed isn't my hardware or how I am using my software or the type of media I have, but the version of PP.

Known Participant
January 22, 2024

I hear you and understand how complicated it all can be under the hood. Remember that I was seeing this variance (RED or YELLOW) in the same session minutes apart and nothing was changing except that I was opening and closing projects to try generate YELLOW. 

 

So, I am not giving up on the idea that there is a bug here, but what upgrade are you suggesting would be most impactful. GPU or CPU?.

 

I  look forward to your suggestions.

R Neil Haugen
Legend
January 22, 2024

The 24.x version can be significantly faster on well ... "modern" hardware. Though not all even modern hardware.

 

And the intermittent nature is totally dependent on what system resources are committe to use at the time of playback, which does vary constantly. So not at all unusual, especially when your kit is on the edge of adequate to maybe slightly above adequate. Been there done that.

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
Known Participant
January 22, 2024

Yes 4GB of RAM on the graphics card. I appreciate that my setup hasn't been cutting edge for awhile, if it ever was, but what continues to strike me is the intermittent nature of this performance issue... Because when things are fine (YELLOW), it is lickity split fast, no slow-downs, no dropped frames. It's fantastic, really, so clearly the resources are capable of fast editing.

 

Adding to my suspicions is that fact that the performance of the previous version of PP was REALLY slow. The next version (my current version, I believe) was touted as being 5-times faster, so clearly they had some performance issues. It seems reasonable that they may still have something going on that might confuse PP into not taking advantage of available resources, leaving me with an intermittent RED indicator.

 

If this is happening to me, it may be happening to many others and the solution may not necessarily require more resources.

 

I look forward to your suggestions.

R Neil Haugen
Legend
January 22, 2024

That GTX 1650, what, 4GB of vRAM? That is light by "modern" standards, especially for UHD timelines.

 

So that's a 6 core CPU, also ... adequate. But not ideal. I've got a 3960x Ryzen with 24 cores, 128GB of RAM, and a 2080Ti that's a later generation from yours,  and has 11BG of vRAM. And I'm looking at replacing that this spring.

 

As I don't do a lot of H.264 and am willing to proxy or t-code, I've gotten by decently without an Nvidia CPU with QuickSync. But in Resolve  ....I would definitely appreciate more vRAM. But getting significantly more than the 11GB I've got would be a chunk of change.

 

I'm not sure what would ve a cost-effective replacement though. There's always something else to think about.

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
Known Participant
January 22, 2024

Sorry for the incomplete information. I have a GEFORCE GTX 1650, drivers are upto date. I mainly use 4k video (3840x2160(1.0), 48000hz 24 bit 8 channelo, 29.97 fps .mxf files generated by a sony fx6). To narrow the issues, I created a new project/sequence with a clip with no fx at all; it was yellow until I added one position keyframe and one scale keyframe... then it went RED. Then I copied in the clip from the original project/sequence (it had Lumetri color and several position and opacity keyframes, so nothing too taxing) and it was RED immediately. Cache is pointed to C:. I changed it to all other drives and tested each without effect.

 

If there are other details that would be helpful, please let me know.

 

I look forward to your suggestions.

Ann Bens
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 21, 2024

If this is the free/old impact roll it is not gpu acc.

You can check in the Effects Panel.

MyerPj
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 21, 2024

OK, but I don't see 'no red at all' as a proper goal. Or to start looking for GPU problems if a patch of red exists.

 

Here's a sequence I was just looking thru for another post, it only has one video layer and three audio layers, plus a transition.

 

 

 

 

Ann Bens
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 21, 2024

After analyzing/stabilizing its red?

(mind you, we are diverting from the original issue).

MyerPj
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 21, 2024

Drop in an h264 UHD clip and add Warp? I get red every time. And for sure a functioning RTX 4070. I think it's easy to see red even with a well functioning GPU and CPU.