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March 24, 2023
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In the text to image part, I didn't find a place to cancel prompts like in stable diffusion. Often we have artifacts with double faces or eyes in the wrong places. It depends on the channels I think but it could be efficient and necessary to add this function. Or maybe add a basic lexicon for prompts if we have to use No in front of cancels or others basic operations.

Thank you for your job, im a teacher and i think you are the best to create an democratic useful app for commons users

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kdc-x29130921

Participant

Where are the negative prompts

droopydog500

Community Manager

Adobe has said they have been temporarily paused. Until then, you will need to add to your main prompt. Here is some advice on doing that. When you want to include "negative" prompts in the main prompt, consider this: the model does not seem to understand the coupling of two words where one word negates the other. Because of that, you end up with the thing you are trying to eliminate actually getting added. For example,

"no mountain" ends up generating mountains
"without facial hair" ends up showing beards
"no men" ends up adding men
"no stairs" ends up adding a staircase

It is best to try to describe the negative prompt concept in a single word, if possible (even if the word you use is not a real English word):

"beardless" rather than "without facial hair"
"mountainless" rather than "no mountains"
"flat-land" rather than "no mountains"
"women" rather than "no men"
"stairless" rather than "no stairs"

Hyphenating words seems to connect words more than a space, but not as much as if it was a single word (if that makes sense). If two words is a "zero" connexion and one word is a "ten" connexion, hyphenating seems to be around "three" in my experience (if that makes sense). But hypenating does not seem to solve the negative word coupling issue ("no-mountains" is not better than "no mountains").

I have no inside information on the model. This is what I have pieced together from using it over the past year. I hope this helps some until the negative prompt box returns.

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nmycps

Inspiring

With the newest version of Firefly that merged the separate negative prompts section into the main prompt, it seems to be ineffective, or it is not clear how to now use negative prompts inside a prompt.

For example, my prompt is "red licorice in the shape of high heels, white background, no mountains" - produces mountains. If I remove 'no mountains', it then should produce a white background. Instead, produces a gray background every time. I found the separate negative prompts section in the previous version to work better.

droopydog500

Community Manager

I think Adobe has indicated the disappearance of the negative prompt section was not intended. So, hopefully it will return.

But, when you want to include "negative" prompts in the main prompt, consider this: the model does not seem to understand the coupling of two words where one word negates the other. Because of that, you end up with the thing you are trying to eliminate actually getting added. For example,

"no mountain" ends up generating mountains
"without facial hair" ends up showing beards
"no men" ends up adding men
"no stairs" ends up adding a staircase

It is best to try to describe the negative prompt concept in a single word, if possible (even if the word you use is not a real English word):

"beardless" rather than "without facial hair"
"mountainless" rather than "no mountains"
"flat-land" rather than "no mountains"
"women" rather than "no men"
"stairless" rather than "no stairs"

Hyphenating words seems to connect words more than a space, but not as much as if it was a single word (if that makes sense). If two words is a "zero" connexion and one word is a "ten" connexion, hyphenating seems to be around "three" in my experience (if that makes sense). But hypenating does not seem to solve the negative word coupling issue ("no-mountains" is not better than "no mountains").

I have no inside information on the model. This is what I have pieced together from using it over the past year. I hope this helps some until the negative prompt box returns.

Adobe Community Expert (not an Adobe employee)

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Thea Menagh

Known Participant

Thank you for this.

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Nora36334336umkk

Participant

The new user interface lacks a function that allows you to exclude words and thus elements from an image. This is really a problem!

Whenever I have a landscape in the background, mountains appear. Previously I could type "Mountain" into a control and they were gone.

Now I can't do that anymore and the description doesn't work either. The description of the attached picture was "A village in the north of Germany. There are no mountains in the background! The country is absolutely flat." And it looks like Austria in the background.

Screenshot of missing box has been attached

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Laura36334085gr04

Participant

Leider kann bei Adobe Firefly keine Wörter mehr ausschließen...

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Paulo_Conceição

Participating Frequently

Hi guys, I was searching for some info about having negative prompt inside Photoshop generative fill and could not find anything.
The only topic that I found was closed by some moderator placing a link to a Firefly post.
I understood the Firefly has it, but does Photoshop Generative Fill have it too?

Thanks!

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VVV24952947vp7m.

Participant

Liebes Adobe-Team,

bitte erweitert das "generative Füllen" um die Möglichkeit einen Negativ-Prompt einzugeben. Damit könnte man immer wiederkehrende unerwünschte Elemente ausschließen. Außerdem wäre es toll wenn man irgendwo ein Häkchen setzen könnte, das die Verwendung von Typografie, Wörten, Buchstaben und Schriftelementen jeglicher Art bei "generaives Füllen" ausschließt. Ich bekomme ständig solche Vorschläge von der KI, völlig egal was in der Datei zu sehen ist an der ich gerade arbeite.

CMass

Community Manager

@BeeCeeCreations can you share a screenshot of what you see? Advanced settings are only available in Image 2, so make sure you're working in Image 2.

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Frank Aliberti

Participant

@An3 this is the exact thread we're in, my dude. LOL

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Craig33219292il7s

Participant

I've tried using the negative prompt on the simplest of images and it DOES NOT work. I asked for a ballon floating in the sky with a big smile on it. It kept adding eyes. I put in the prompt that it has not eyes, still didn't work. I tried the negative prompt "eyes". Nope. It is making me crazy. It is like every time I add one more negative thing it adds it with even more detail. Ideas?

jane-e

Community Expert

@BeeCeeCreations

You are correct, then, I did not understand and I apologize. Let's wait to see if Adobe Staff or another forum volunteer can give you a better answer. My reply was to @d3509806, though, and not to you.

If something else is announced by staff in the future, it will be in this thread.

Jane

Forum volunteer

BeeCeeCreations

Known Participant

Jane, you obviously haven't understand my question: this feature for excluding in advanced settings IS NOT A AVAILABLE at Android 13 devices with Firefox or Chrome browser!!!!