P: Allow Crop Settings in Presets

When I said it feels “almost like a bug”, I didn’t mean it is a real bug that was unintentionally slipped to the software. Maybe then more like a design flaw (in my opinion – if someone explains why it’s not a flaw and is a good decision then I might change my mind). My bad if I wrote unclearly.

This thread is what came up with Google search. Even if this is old request, I didn’t make a new request or thread because Adobe Employee Rikk Flohr wrote:

“Additional, multiple and recent posting does not aid the cause of a feature nor make it more visible. Your feature request will carry more weight when added to the aggregate thread. By itself, it runs the risk of being buried.”

So I upvoted this and put my comments and questions here. Even if the last answer was from Dec 2018, I guess it’s not forbidden for me to comment and wonder why there was this kind of design decision and why couldn’t it be changed/fixed. I read all the previous comments and didn’t find a reasonable answer.

If that was not a correct way to interact and try to support this request, then forgive me. I don’t know how it should be done then. Few times I have had some issue with Adobe products and I try to contact their support either here or some other feedback site there was some years ago, I never even get answer from Adobe employee. With many other companies the customer support works much better.

And if you don’t have the answers either, that’s fine and no problem. I didn’t expect you would have. But I’m wondering what your motivation to reply is. Other than being rude and misunderstanding (on purpose?) what I say.

Not almost a bug. But of course, you are free to file a bug report and see what transpires for you. 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-bugs/how-do-i-write-a-bug-report/idi-p/12373403

Do again note, that this request (which you call a bug) was posted in 2011!

As I said: “almost” a bug and not in that sense that it wouldn’t have been “a conscious choice” or “a design decision” once. But if I make a bad decision, I can change my mind later and fix things. Or if in my opinion my decision isn’t bad and there’s no need to change it, then I am able to explain why it isn’t bad. I also asked why it is like this since I see no reasonable answer.

If it’s the fear that it might in some situations work unexpectedly for some users, as I was guessing, I see no point in that. In life things don’t always go as you expect. And even in Lightroom at present they don’t go always as expected. For example it’s possible to create a preset that has a camera profile and then use that preset to another image that has been taken with a different camera. And some presets may work differently with jpg/tiff and raw images.

There is a checkbox to enable “Partially Compatible Develop Presets”. There could be similar option to enable crop settings in presets. It’s hardly more than creating a few checkboxes since the functionality already exists. One of the simplest task when developing a software.

Or if there is some other reason, I would just like to hear it to understand better why this is not possible because it’s frustrating if there are annoyances and you see no obvious reason for them.

It's not a bug; it's a design decision. 

Yes, but in my view, when this is already a partially existing and working feature (by copying settings from other image), it’s almost more of a minor but very annoying bug to be fixed rather than a great new feature that’s been requested. In every software there are bugs that get fixed in due time even if most users don’t notice them and request a fix.

Of course it depends how you define a bug and a feature. Maybe it isn’t a bug in that sense that it wasn’t a mistake but a conscious choice developers made. Obviously this isn’t a game changer and top priority but people are still requesting it to be fixed and it’s been there very long. And probably many people don’t come to write these forums. I don’t know how much votes there is usually because I haven’t been active here either.

I don’t know how complicatedly the development of Adobe works. But to me it seems Adobe Employee has already put more effort answering to this thread than it would take from a developer to fix this thing that for some people would be very useful and save a lot of time and for other people would do no harm. With all the respect, that’s why I was surprised to see this thread was 11 years old and nothing has been done.

Am I missing something or how hard is it to add a feature that kind of already exists and users are asking for, that it takes 11 years and is still not implemented?

11 years and a grand total of 47 upvotes. That's one big reason it's not being addressed here. Upvotes get the eyes of Adobe. Get more votes. 

Am I missing something or how hard is it to add a feature that kind of already exists and users are asking for, that it takes 11 years and is still not implemented? Just a very simple thing that you could save crop settings as a preset and it would work exactly same way as when copying or syncing crop settings. No need to overthink it. If it’s possible to sync and copy, then why not create a preset?

Is there a fear that it might in some situations work unexpectedly for some users?  There is a very simple solution for that. Those users could then just stop using the option and ignore it. There are a lot of options I don’t use but I’m happy they are there for other people to use.

I have the same situation as Pat Garrett. I use crop lenses with Canon 5Ds sometimes because some of them are sharp and good enough to be very good and lightweight travel lenses. And the 50mp gives 30mp at 1.3x crop and even 1.6x gives still a very reasonable 20mp. Sometimes I forget to select the crop option from camera or even use the lens with 6D that doesn’t have the crop option in camera.

Sure I can crop one image and sync to others. And sometimes I need to adjust the crop as with any other image. But it would speed things up and give a better view of the images straight away if I could use a develop setting during import. Or just a one click of the preset and in most cases I would have the area I want cropped very quickly. As others have pointed out they would have even more use for this feature.

Even if this wouldn’t be a great benefit for a vast amount of users, it’s just adding a one checkbox, not developing a totally new feature that doesn’t exist yet. So what would be the harm of implementing this and why isn’t it advancing?