P: Ability to move/reorder panels in Lightroom in the order I use most

I can hardly believe this has finally happened!!!!!!

Happy to see that today's 8.1 roll-out provides at least the possibility to change the order of the development windows ... Finally after many years ... But still no undockable windows like in any other Adobe-app and in (upcoming) competitor's programs.

What is the use of this forum anyway, when ther is no reply whatsoever from the official side ...?
This particular item is asked for by many, many users over many, many years. It would make the workflow easier and that is what the highest goal should be here. Instead we get some fancy "creative profiles" we never asked for and that are nothing but a toy for the big amateur community out there...
People who take the trouble to write here are generally speaking the ones that are the most loyal hard core users. Not listening to and meeting their whishes is just a plain arrogance.

What is the use of this forum anyway, when ther is no reply whatsoever from the official side ...?
This particular item is asked for by many, many users over many, many years. It would make the workflow easier and that is what the highest goal should be here. Instead we get some fancy "creative profiles" we never asked for and that are nothing but a toy for the big amateur community out there...
People who take the trouble to write here are generally speaking the ones that are the most loyal hard core users. Not listening to and meeting their whishes is just a plain arrogance.

"Lazybones" may not be a nice qualification, dear John, but it expresses customer's frustration and if you look at the facts, maybe you can't conclude they are "lazybones" regarding what these individuals do during daytome on the job, but there is a whole lot of arguments for a more objectiv bottom line: Adobe's self stated customer care in the last 5 (!) years since CC definitely not what you might expect from a premium brand. The outcome of the promise of "continous development" of especially these two products (Lr und Ps) is minimal and equals almost none.
I say this to you with a vast experience in customer care myself: if someone is using "bad language" on you, don't defend or pick up the counterattack. If there is smoke, there is fire ... The worst way to react, ist to play the offended victim. Which you are not... You are the powerful company that has put his rules upon customers that have no choice whatsoever as to "obey" you. That is what people drives nuts in almost every part of life, so here as well ...

As these applications were still for sale, every almost yearly update had mor new tools and develeopments to offer, then we've got over this half decade under CC. And if you look at the version overview that is a stone cold fact!
So the subscription model makes "lazy" in the head. It is a hard rule in business that a powerfull market leader doesn't care as much for R&D and customer satisfaction as the runners up. And that is what we see right now. There are some new kids on the block, working hard to develop a software that serves our purposes and yes ... in their strategy they put their fingers exactly there, where the Adobe user's frustration hurts most: no subscription models, a fair price, no fancy worldwide events, no hungry share holders - just the software ...

If Adobe expects me to pay for a lifetime subscription to use their software, in the end I have payed more than for every single suite I have bought in the past. And for what?? Some fancy stuff I didn't ask for, some bugs I have to take care of every single update?? That is a "chuzpe" if you know the word ...

You know, in the old days Abobe produced software I thought was worth every dime of it and it worked stable and smooth. Therefore, for pro users it was a self running system and there were most of the time no doubts, whether to buy the next upgrade. Today I got stuck in a subscription that brings me trouble all the time and offers me "developments" that obviously are not what most pro users want and need, but serve some amateur and hobbyist purposes, because that is where they (yet) get the money from ... The problem is: especially in this big group, some alternatives are getting ready to take Adobe's place, leaving them with their pro customers ...

Adobe forgets about their long time pro users that have payed a lot of money in the past to get the products where they were as the big cash party CC started ... It's not laziness. It's this same deadly combination of greed, hunger for power and money (Adobe has tax avoiding constructions as well) that right now is gettng out of control on the world market, like with Apple, Microsoft, Amazon .... You've got your customers tied up, so you can do with them as you like. We are no customers anymore but only the fuel that makes the money making machine run. And there is undoubtedly some arrogance in that attitude.

The same arrogance BTW I met when speaking to the support. I am a polite man and I was exhausted over all the trouble I had running the software properly on a well equipped, relatively common machine. The support desk was sending me of with the usual cliches and the man I spoke to treated my with a painfull arrogance, regardless the fact he was speaking to a pro user, with more then 20 years Ps-experience and over 30 years working with personal computers. No respect whatsoever for a customer that has spent roughly more then 10,000 bucks on their software over that period ... !

I think that is the frustration that goes behind the expression "lazybones" or yellow jackets on the streets of Paris ....

"Lazybones" may not be a nice qualification, dear John, but it expresses customer's frustration and if you look at the facts, maybe you can't conclude they are "lazybones" regarding what these individuals do during daytome on the job, but there is a whole lot of arguments for a more objectiv bottom line: Adobe's self stated customer care in the last 5 (!) years since CC definitely not what you might expect from a premium brand. The outcome of the promise of "continous development" of especially these two products (Lr und Ps) is minimal and equals almost none.
I say this to you with a vast experience in customer care myself: if someone is using "bad language" on you, don't defend or pick up the counterattack. If there is smoke, there is fire ... The worst way to react, ist to play the offended victim. Which you are not... You are the powerful company that has put his rules upon customers that have no choice whatsoever as to "obey" you. That is what people drives nuts in almost every part of life, so here as well ...

As these applications were still for sale, every almost yearly update had mor new tools and develeopments to offer, then we've got over this half decade under CC. And if you look at the version overview that is a stone cold fact!
So the subscription model makes "lazy" in the head. It is a hard rule in business that a powerfull market leader doesn't care as much for R&D and customer satisfaction as the runners up. And that is what we see right now. There are some new kids on the block, working hard to develop a software that serves our purposes and yes ... in their strategy they put their fingers exactly there, where the Adobe user's frustration hurts most: no subscription models, a fair price, no fancy worldwide events, no hungry share holders - just the software ...

If Adobe expects me to pay for a lifetime subscription to use their software, in the end I have payed more than for every single suite I have bought in the past. And for what?? Some fancy stuff I didn't ask for, some bugs I have to take care of every single update?? That is a "chuzpe" if you know the word ...

You know, in the old days Abobe produced software I thought was worth every dime of it and it worked stable and smooth. Therefore, for pro users it was a self running system and there were most of the time no doubts, whether to buy the next upgrade. Today I got stuck in a subscription that brings me trouble all the time and offers me "developments" that obviously are not what most pro users want and need, but serve some amateur and hobbyist purposes, because that is where they (yet) get the money from ... The problem is: especially in this big group, some alternatives are getting ready to take Adobe's place, leaving them with their pro customers ...

Adobe forgets about their long time pro users that have payed a lot of money in the past to get the products where they were as the big cash party CC started ... It's not laziness. It's this same deadly combination of greed, hunger for power and money (Adobe has tax avoiding constructions as well) that right now is gettng out of control on the world market, like with Apple, Microsoft, Amazon .... You've got your customers tied up, so you can do with them as you like. We are no customers anymore but only the fuel that makes the money making machine run. And there is undoubtedly some arrogance in that attitude.

The same arrogance BTW I met when speaking to the support. I am a polite man and I was exhausted over all the trouble I had running the software properly on a well equipped, relatively common machine. The support desk was sending me of with the usual cliches and the man I spoke to treated my with a painfull arrogance, regardless the fact he was speaking to a pro user, with more then 20 years Ps-experience and over 30 years working with personal computers. No respect whatsoever for a customer that has spent roughly more then 10,000 bucks on their software over that period ... !

I think that is the frustration that goes behind the expression "lazybones" or yellow jackets on the streets of Paris ....

"User customizable tear-off menu with scripting, record-playback - LR Classic"
Done.

"User customizable tear-off menu with scripting, record-playback - LR Classic"
Done.

Probably a topic for a seperate thread, Richard

Probably a topic for a seperate thread, Richard