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October 19, 2017
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P: Ability to sync Lightroom Classic keywords with the Lightroom Ecosystem

  • October 19, 2017
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Keywords do not sync correctly: When added on the mobile app (iOS), they do not appear in LR classic and not in LR Web (I deleted the new LR CC immediately, this version does not make sense to me).
Same problem into the other direction: Keywords from LR classic do not appear on the mobile app. 
Attention: At this stage the whole keywording within the iOS app should not be used!

372 replies

Participating Frequently
September 23, 2018
It certainly does feel like Adobe are going out of their way to make the experience of using CC Classic and CC together as bad as possible.
Antoine HLMN
Known Participant
September 23, 2018
Guys!
AI or not, that’s not even the question. The fact is: keywords on one platform are not copied to another! It’s just nonsense...
Antoine HLMN
Known Participant
September 23, 2018
Guys!
AI or not, that’s not even the question. The fact is: keywords on one platform are not copied to another! It’s just nonsense...
Charlyw64
Participating Frequently
September 23, 2018
Gilles, I don’t think that any generic AI will ever be able to solve the more complicated issues. I have images of gendermixes (don’t know the correct english name for such a phenomenon) where an individual butterfly exhibits traits of both male and female forms but you only can tell if you correlate the species that are known to exist in that area with other information. It’s serious research to be able to keyword that image correctly. And don’t get me started on the orchid hybrids. Sometimes you are only able to identify the hybrid by knowing which species are adjacent, which insects pollinate said orchids, which flowering times are overlapping in the area (for example in more northern areas Orchis militaris and Orchis anthropophora have non overlapping flowering times, thus hybrids are highly unlikely to be created - just 700km further south the two species share flowering times and hybrids are plentiful. Only a highly specific AI would be able to determine the elder species - and that’s just a very narrow field.

IMHO no AI will be ever (at least in my hopefully not too short lifetime) able to replace the sort of keywording I need...
Participating Frequently
September 23, 2018
Okay Gilles you are maybe right,
We are all missing this point, adobe relies on AI aspect. But how does really care? AI is maybe a plus we need. Not a must have.

Meanwhile Adobe tries to detect a cat in the picture, Adobe should let us use Classic (a faster one) to compensate CC, let us use keyword the way we wan to uset.

Is printing an outdated workflow?
Is offline searching an outdated workflow?
LR CC is not able to search a sting of offline. 

In fact I thing it is more than that : Without the ability to manage our photos with this old school workflow (I mean keyword) we will not be able to switch to an LR competitive solution.

If adobe want us to use Ai, not problem. 
But let us use keyword the way we want,.

Personnaly keyword goes far beyond a simple description but is part of my workflow.
For example, I need to find easily photos without keyword. Something LR CC is not able to do

One thing I'm sure: AI will not be able to detect technical things or administrative/legal process, for sure. Myself will be able.

So once again, we do not want somebody explain us are not working the way Lr is designed. We want to see LR works the way we need. We pay for that. And it is very expensive.
Participating Frequently
September 23, 2018
Yes Karl, I understand your needs and you are perfectly right, even if I believe that AI will be able, in the near future, to identify this. 
Charlyw64
Participating Frequently
September 23, 2018
Then Adobe needs to have a poll of what their users expect. I expect never to be able to use such an AI because I need to be precise in my keywords - I need to be able to find a "Bläuling" butterfly (meaning a group of butterflies that are predominantly blue) even though it is a butterfly of a suborder of that group that is metallic red...
Participating Frequently
September 23, 2018
There is also a point that you all miss here : Lr CC relies on AI to describe the contents of the pictures. IMHO, Adobe wants to put all the efforts in this area, and not cope anymore with classical - and let's be honest - outdated tasks like keywording.
Participating Frequently
September 23, 2018
The correct words I mean are : "Obviously I'm sure it is limited by design (as declared) to be sure keywording will not be use for users to exit the adobe ecosystem."
This is MHO, maybe I'm wrong (I hope)
Participating Frequently
September 23, 2018
You're right!
I've forget the word "only" or something like this. I don't know hoe to edit my words