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April 1, 2011
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P: Better keyword management

  • April 1, 2011
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How about some better support for keyword management. It's very basic now. I would like to do the following tasks:- Delete multiple keywords at once. Not all plugins do handle hierarchy keywords well and add all the keywords to the root level. It's a tedious task to delete them one by one.- Search for duplicates.- Merge keywords. With lots of tricks, it can be done, but it's so inefficient.- Import keywords from within any level in the keyword hierarchy. Now you can only import keywords to the root level.- And for now last but most important: Real external editing of the keyword list. Moving keywords around and doing real heavy reorganization is difficult in LR. I would like to have an editing option like exporting and when reimported all changes are reflected in LR.

149 replies

johnrellis
Legend
July 9, 2018
"and how to even tell in the current keyword editor without double clicking on each one."

There's a hidden feature -- click here in the Keyword List panel:



then select People to filter by just those keywords marked as Person keywords:



Are there other things you want to do with Person keywords?
Inspiring
July 9, 2018
Same here, 6 year old comments on this threat.  Funny that on Twitter @m_mulligan says they really look here and take things into consideration, so I'm guess this just is never going to happen, which will make it really hard for me to clean up keywords without spending a TON of time on it.

I'll also add to the original idea that some way to deal with a keyword that's a person or not, and how to even tell in the current keyword editor without double clicking on each one.
Known Participant
June 5, 2018


So, eight years later I'm searching yet again for a better way to merge keywords and came across my post from 2010. https://forums.adobe.com/message/10423855#10423855 Still no good way to merge them that I can find, just one at a time selecting, adding keywords to the images of the same key and combining them in a terribly slow and laborious way only to have them all duplicated again the next time I import images from a keywording service. Wow, Aperture was capable of this in 2006 but Lightroom still can't do it in 2018. I suppose it's safe to assume the LR will never be able to do this and keywording will remain a huge spaghetti bowl.

To whom replied that didn't port over to this thread: Yes, my comparison to Aperture was unjust, outside of that one, single feature LR pretty much beat it in every other aspect. To fix the above once and for all I'm abandoning the hierarchy and will just have a super long list of words.
Inspiring
March 2, 2018


The new Lightroom CC and Lightroom Mobile app for Android are missing support for manual keywording.  Right now the search box produces a never-ending "Black Hole" error because Lightroom CC isn't smart enough to come up with any intelligent keywords for my images.

Also, keyword management needs to be completely revamped in Lightroom Classic CC.  Please see https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/better_keyword_management for an extended SEVEN YEAR discussion of how this should be improved.

Both Lightroom CC and Lightroom Classic CC need to have a robust keyword management module that allows sorting, replacing, merging, deleting, stacking, and layering of keywords and bidirectional synonyms.  We need to be able to sync keywords across catalogs as desired, including into the cloud (or not at our choice).
k64
Participating Frequently
November 5, 2017

I have hundreds of Keywords arranged heirarchically (e.g. Places/Europe/UK/London/Greenwich ) but most of them have "Export Containing Keywords" selected.  I would very much like to untick this box on every Keyword.  To do this manually is totally impractical.

Can this be achieved by some sort of bulk edit?

Thanks in advance.

Akash Sharma
Legend
November 7, 2017

Hi there,

Unfortunately, There is no such feature to achieve bulk editing of keywords, you'll have to edit each keyword changing and its option "Export Containing Keywords".

We are always welcome our users to send in feedback or feature requests that might help the larger audience. Please share it with us here  Photoshop Family Customer Community ​so that our Engineers can look into it.

Thanks,

Akash

Ian Lyons
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 7, 2017

We are always welcome our users to send in feedback or feature requests that might help the larger audience. Please share it with us here  Photoshop Family Customer Community so that our Engineers can look into it.

I first asked for this and other global features in keywords panel 10 years back and I'm sure many times since. Likewise, others have done so over the years.

ianbutty
Known Participant
October 25, 2017
Just for the record, Adobe - my thread (https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/please-can-we-have-improved-keywording-suppor...) that was merged into this one is getting "upvotes" (it has gone up to 6 votes in the time this thread went up by 3).  Therefore votes from people who want improvements to keywording are not being reflected in the count on this thread... which I thought was the reason for merging - to combine the votes.   

So not only have you hidden my suggestions on page 3 of a 7-year-old thread (the digital equivalent of filing it “in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.” - to quote Douglas Adams). but the votes people are giving the suggestion are not being counted.

If anyone is interested I've been blogging about this and my post here has become the basis of an open letter to Adobe.  https://www.ians-studio.co.uk/2017/10/an-open-letter-to-adobe-lightroom-keywording-ten-years-of-negl...
ianbutty
Known Participant
October 24, 2017
Paul, to ensure that the keyword is removed from the image as well, you need to either hit "CTL-S" (win) "CMD-S" (Mac, I think) to force an update to the the image's XMP.  Alternatively, you should have "automatically write XMP" set in the catalog settings, which will get LR to write the XMP.... well... automatically, without you having to press CTRL-S.
Participating Frequently
October 24, 2017
I'll also second the ideas presented by Ian M Butterfield and Erik Stensland in their posts. Although I'm happy to see the few changes made in the Develop module this time around, I am more than disappointed that there were no major changes to the Library module.

The new "Adobe Sensei" sounded interesting until I read that the keywords would not sync with a Classic catalog. Huh!!?? How helpful is that? Sorry, Adobe, but my catalog is never going to live in your cloud!

When I think of the time I have invested in LR over the years it makes me kind of sick to think about looking for a new software tool, but that's what I'll be doing.
PaulFBarrett
Known Participant
October 24, 2017
Does that just remove the keyword from the LR database or does remove it from the image's metadata too?
PaulFBarrett
Known Participant
October 24, 2017
16,000 images here.  I use Daminion to manage it.