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P: Local adjustments and crops don't copy or work in presets applied to rotated photos

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Copying Radial filter effect, between portrait format images in Ligthroom5, that were taken with opposite camera rotation (one rotated clokwise, other counterclockwise) results the effect appears on mirrored position. lightroom 5.7.1 Mac v

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    Charles Lanteigne
    Charles Lanteigne
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    December 10, 2019



    In Lightroom (latest CC release, 2015.3), I have an original raw image and a TIFF file of that image that has been processed in Photoshop. They are both exactly the same size in pixels.

    When I crop one of the images and sync that crop to the other one, the crop *does not match*—be it with auto sync or manual sync. The image that gets synced ends up with a tighter crop for no apparent reason.

    This means I have to try to match the two crops manually by fiddling with the crop rectangle (which is a waste of time and can't even be accomplished with perfection because it is nowhere near precise enough).

    I remember cropping multiple images like this some time in the past (with previous versions of Lightroom) without issue, so it's a bug that has been introduced at some point.

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    shanebettsphotog
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    December 10, 2019



    It's an intermittent bug with LR. Has been for ages. I routinely do composites of two shots, shot off tripod. I crop one, paste settings to the other, select both and open as layers in PS and guess what? They're cropped differently, making the composite impossible. So I have to do all my cropping in PS because LR is too buggy. What can you do about it? Nothing. Find a workaround. Situation normal:-|

    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    September 14, 2019
    It's quite straightforward to support copying of local adjustments between different orientations (e.g. from a raw rotated to portrait to a TIFF created from that raw by Photoshop).   My Any Crop plugin does this for crops with a small amount of code, and the same method would work for local adjustments.

    Currently, LR represents the coordinates of local adjustments and crops with values in [0..1], where (0, 0) represents the upper-left corner of the underlying image before any orientation (rotation and flipping) has been applied.  Call this coordinate system the underlying-pixels coordinates. 

    When LR copies adjustments and crops, it copies the underlying-pixels coordinates of the adjustments. If the source and target images have different orientations, e.g. a raw rotated to portrait (orientation 90 degrees clockwise) and a TIFF created from that raw (orientation 0 degrees), then the adjustments get placed incorrectly on the target image.

    When copying adjustments, LR should translate the underlying-pixel coordinates of the adjustments in the source image to visible-pixels coordinates, the coordinates relative to how the source image appears after its orientation has been applied. Then it should translate those visible-pixel coordinates to the underlying-pixel coordinates of the target image.


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    FeedbackCommunityMemberAuthor
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    September 14, 2019

    I have a similar problem while copying the spot removal tool from one portrait image to another.


    As a quick summary of my setup, I currently have .cr2 files from my Canon 70D in a folder along with .jpg files that I generated from the .cr2 files (separate from Adobe).  I made some edits to the .jpg with respect to spot removal but I'd like to copy them to the .cr2 in Lightroom.

     

    Well, this has yet to happen.  I can copy and paste it but as you tell from the attached images, the spot removal points end up rotating 90 degrees.  Copying spot removal in my landscape photos is perfectly fine but I can't figure out how to do it in the portrait photos.  I've rotated the source but not the destination photo (in Lightroom), rotated the destination and not the source, rotated both photos, etc.  The result is the same every time.

     

    Both Photos appear to be rotated the same in Windows Explorer so I would think the reference for the spot removal points would be the same as well.  Can't Lightroom just sense the orientation and act accordingly?

     

    Currently running Lightroom Classic 8.4.  Any help is appreciated.  If it was only a few photos then I would just redo my work but it's quite a few hundred and if this truly is a bug then it should be fixed.






    Lightroom Classic version: 8.4 [ 201908011719-03751b60 ]
    License: Creative Cloud
    Language setting: en
    Operating system: Windows 10 - Business Edition
    Version: 10.0.18362
    Application architecture: x64
    System architecture: x64
    Logical processor count: 24
    Processor speed: 3.7 GHz
    Built-in memory: 32715.2 MB
    Real memory available to Lightroom: 32715.2 MB
    Real memory used by Lightroom: 1166.3 MB (3.5%)
    Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 1423.8 MB
    GDI objects count: 629
    USER objects count: 2040
    Process handles count: 1762
    Memory cache size: 62.7MB
    Internal Camera Raw version: 11.4 [ 273 ]
    Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
    Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
    Camera Raw virtual memory: 201MB / 16357MB (1%)
    Camera Raw real memory: 202MB / 32715MB (0%)
    System DPI setting: 120 DPI
    Desktop composition enabled: Yes
    Displays: 1) 2048x1152
    Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

    Graphics Processor Info: 
    DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (25.21.14.1967)
    Bob Somrak
    Bob Somrak
    Legend
    January 8, 2019
    Thanks Rikk for the update.  Hope the New Year is going great for you.
    M4 Pro Mac Mini. 48GB
    Rikk Flohr_Photography
    Community Manager
    Rikk Flohr_PhotographyCommunity Manager
    Community Manager
    January 8, 2019
    I've forked Todd's post (different than the OP issue) to a new thread. 
    Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
    Rikk Flohr_Photography
    Community Manager
    Rikk Flohr_PhotographyCommunity Manager
    Community Manager
    January 8, 2019
    Different than OP

    Please reference the new conversation here: Lightroom Classic CC: Radial Filters on Rotated Images are not rotated.
    Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
    Bob Somrak
    Bob Somrak
    Legend
    January 8, 2019
    Rikk,

    The issue that Todd Shaner added concerning the different behavior of the tools when rotating the image with the Crop Angle Tool and Transform Rotate I am sure is Not as-designed behavior and still is a problem in 8.1.  What is the status of the issue Todd has shown.


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    Rikk Flohr_Photography
    Community Manager
    Rikk Flohr_PhotographyCommunity Manager
    Community Manager
    January 8, 2019
    After review: This behavior is as-designed (has been this way since local corrections were first introduced in Lr 2).  Essentially, copy/pasting and apply presets containing local corrections (including spot removal) across images with different orientations is not officially supported.
    Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
    Todd Shaner
    Todd Shaner
    Legend
    February 16, 2018
    Rikk, I found another bug with the Radial Filter control.

    The below image has Spot Removal, Radial Filter, Adjustment Brush, and Graduated Filter applied (from Left to Right). The Crop Tool Angle control moves ALL of the Local controls with the image. The Transform Rotate control moves all of the Local controls except the Radial Filter. All of the Local Controls should remain fixed to their relative image bitmap position.

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