P: Presets including raw profiles are sometimes available for non-raws, sometimes not

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April 16, 2018
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[LR 8.1 now displays partially compatible presets in grey italics, which will avoid the confusion experienced by many users:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-presets-including-raw-profiles-are-...]

Presets including raw profiles via Treatment & Profile are sometimes visible in the Presets panel when a non-raw is selected, sometimes not. This is confusing.

- Presets including DCP raw profiles are visible for non-raws (Adobe Standard and all Camera Matching profiles).

- Presets including enhanced raw profiles are not visible for non-raws (Adobe Color, Monochrome, Landscape, Neutral, Portrait, Vivid).

This is clearly inconsistent behavior, since none of these raw profiles can actually be applied to non-raws. LR should either hide all such presets for non-raws or make them all available, ignoring the raw profile when the preset is applied to a non-raw.

I think it should make them all available for non-raws, given this use case: People often click the Check All button when creating a preset. When they round-trip a raw to Photoshop and get back a TIFF, they expect that such a preset should be applicable to the TIFF as much as to a raw, not remembering or knowing they clicked Treatment and Profile.

If LR makes none of these raw-profile-containing presets available for non-raws, then that will create another most frequent FAQ, "Why can't I see my preset?", analogous to "Where are the lens profiles?".

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WebWorxTech

Participating Frequently

Thanks for your reply... I read that through but there isn't a way to uncheck the enhanced profile from what I can gather when I look at Lightroom CC or classic. Not sure how I can update its settings or create a new one without the Treatment and profile box checked It seems like it forces it.

johnrellisAuthor

Legend

Michael, when you created the preset, it had the Treatment & Profile box checked, and it includes the profile Adobe Vivid. That profile is one of the so-called "enhanced" profiles, and any preset including an enhanced profile is only displayed in the Presets panel when you're editing a raw. It won't be displayed when you're editing a JPEG or other non-raw. (Enhanced profiles can't be applied to non-raws.)

As you can see in the rest of this topic in which your post was merged, this behavior confuses many people. Please be sure to click Me Too and Follow in the upper-right corner.

If you don't want Adobe Vivid part of the preset, you can update its settings or create a new one without the Treatment & Profile box checked.

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WebWorxTech

Participating Frequently

Ok - thanks. I have been using photoshop for years but just started using Lightroom today... so a newbie with it:

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WebWorxTech

Participating Frequently

I have Lightroom Classic CC 7.5. I created a Preset from a RAW photo... and it's not showing up on my JPG in the user presets but the preset is showing up on the RAW photo. I even tried importing it as well... still doesn't show up. I closed out the software and started again... still nothing.

cameronrad

Inspiring

I agree. It would be a shame if this behavior is changed and i'd have to rebuild all my profiles and specify raw or jpeg instead of just using adobe standard for compatibility.

I read the SDK and initially found that part that confusing to be honest. But after rereading it made sense. I think a more condensed FAQ or note should be added to the SDK that if you want the profile/preset to be compatible with all types of images (jpeg/raw) you need to use Adobe Standard as the base profile. I know that information is mentioned in the sdk but it could be more concise and not as in depth of explanation of the interaction.

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FeedbackCommunityMember

Inspiring

Am I not understanding quite what people want here? I love the fact that I can create a Profile starting with Adobe Standard and a raw file, bring in a .cube file, and create a profile that works with my JPEGs, too. Is this what people find confusing that I find liberating?

Or are they saying they just don't like it if Profiles disappear when they can't be applied to a JPEG? I will be very unhappy if I can't continue to create Profiles with Adobe Standard and use them on JPEGs. I use Camera Raw, not LR, but since they operate together, I hate to see that after reading the SDK and choosing Standard to create the profile, I'm now going to be shut out because some people find it "confusing" at first.

I found it confusing, too, but I don't anymore, and I do use my .cube profiles on my JPEG files. To have to create one set for JPEG and another for raw seems a big burdensome. More than a bit.

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Ganesh GD

Adobe Employee

@7982611 Thanks for raising the concern. We are aware of this behavior. As Johan mentioned above if a Preset refers to Profile that is limited to specific format (RAW in your case) it will not be shown in the Presets list when other format image is selcted. We will fix this behaviour.

Thanks,
Ganesh

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FeedbackCommunityMember

Inspiring

I have about 200 images in quick collection. If I open one in photoshop for a minor touch up, save it, and it opens the newly edited copy in lightroom, the preset(s) I created within the hour disappear for only the new edited image. They become available if I scroll to the next image but disappear again when I go to the newly edited image.

johnrellisAuthor

Legend

Another person confused by the behavior:
https://forums.adobe.com/message/10502791#10502791