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April 25, 2023
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P: Reduce magnification in Enhance Preview window

  • April 25, 2023
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Hi,

 

The new denoise feature in LR 12.3 is great - much better than the old sliders - but...

 

Does anyone else find the magnification on the preview window too high? The most important thing when assessing what strength of denoise to apply is the impact it's having on image sharpness. And you can't see that properly with the preview at greater than 100%. The only options seem to be the whole image or a section of it at what looks like somewhere between 200 and 300% with no ability to select any magnification anywhere in between. Unless you can and I haven't figured out how. If we can only have one magnification level in the preview window it should be 100%.

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johnrellis
Legend
February 7, 2024

Adobe rarely comments on product-development plans.  Any authorized information would most likely appear in this thread.

jamesk53627517
Participant
February 7, 2024

That was over nine months ago.  Any recent evidence anyone at Adobe is still "listening" or thinking about this?  

dj_paige
Legend
February 7, 2024

@jamesk53627517says:

 

but there's been no indication that anyone at Adobe is even listening.

 

There's evidence right here in this thread. @TheDigitalDog said he talked to Adobe and "They are aware that other zoom ratios are desired".

johnrellis
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February 7, 2024

Adobe does read all the posts in the Ideas section, and they do influence future product development.  The more upvotes on an Idea, the more likely they'll pay attention (though votes are far from the only factor in their decision making).  This idea currently has 19 votes, but a fair number (probably at least 5 - 10) are from marauding bots that are flooding this forum with bogus votes.  So 10 - 15 real votes is more than most posts here get, but it isn't a huge number, compared to other ideas here (which have or have not been implemented).

jamesk53627517
Participant
February 7, 2024

I see there have been many requests for a 100% magnification level in the Denoise preview window.  Has Adobe ever addressed this?   Like many others, I find that the artifacts created at the (apparent) 250%-300% default "choice" make the preview almost useless.  Is there some technical issue that actually prevents this from being implemented?  

 

LR Classic 13.1, Windows 10 Pro

dj_paige
Legend
February 7, 2024
jamesk53627517
Participant
February 7, 2024

Yes I read that but the only reason I see is what Andrew posted about the "need" to match ACR, etc.  On the face of it, I don't understand that to mean it would be technically impossible to give users the choice to do something different within LR.

davep60Author
Participating Frequently
October 13, 2023

Lightroom 13 now out and disappointed to see that the enhance preview window is still at the completely unusable 250% magnification. It's absolutely impossible to assess what either the denoise or the super resolution are doing to image sharpness at that magnification. I don't even bother waiting for the preview to load before clicking the Enhance button. I realise that there's time and effort involved in developing a user scaleable preview but surely switching it to a useful 100% from the ridiculous 250% would be a matter of seconds to implement?

Ian Lyons
Community Expert
Community Expert
July 22, 2023

Another issue that adds to the confusion is that the Before preview does not include manual color noise reduction, which is set to 25 by default. So the Before preview should include manual color noise settings.

 

Any noise (Luminance or Colour) settings that you may have previously applied via the sliders are ignored. Therefore, it doesn't make any difference whether they're set to 0, 25 or  even 100, Denoise just treats them as 0.

Per Berntsen
Community Expert
Community Expert
July 21, 2023

I use a 24" 1920 x 1200 monitor, and always view at 100%  to assess sharpness, noise and other image detail.

The 250% preview is just confusing, and tells me very little. So I have to use trial and error to find the best amount setting, which is annoying, and time consuming when the process takes 3 minutes.

Another issue that adds to the confusion is that the Before preview does not include manual color noise reduction, which is set to 25 by default. So the Before preview should include manual color noise settings.

But it makes you wonder if Denoise is even aware of the manual color noise setting when doing the processing.

 

For my monitor, 100% is perfect for examining image detail, but for high resolution monitors, 200% is needed.

So maybe options for 100, 150, 200, and 250%. 100 and 200 at the very least.

 

reinah34418365
Participant
July 19, 2023

I silently wish for variable zoom levels.

Participant
May 6, 2023

I can find no mention of the magnification amount Adobe are using in the preview detail panel when using Denoise AI but I do know it is well over 100%. It's more like 250% or 300%! This makes it hard for me to estimate how much to move the percentage slider as I have no interest in removing noise that can only be seen when viewing at this very high magnification. I want to be able to analyse the noise when viewing at 100%. As far as I can make out this is impossible. The zoom symbol on the window goes from fitting the whole image within the constraints of the preview window to 250/300% zoom and nothing in between. This is far from satisfactory for how I (and I would imagine most other people) judge image quality, noise etc. Of course, I can understand if some people feel it is necessary assess noise at higher magnifications than 100% but let's please have the option of the starting point in the detail window being at 100%. This is normal for all other denoising software I have used. As it stands the preview window is pretty much useless to me. 

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
May 6, 2023

Zoom level was set to 250% in LrC so that it show the same focus area in Enhance dialog as other apps ( LrD/ACR ).

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