Gen AI tools going the wrong direction

I appreciate your thoughts.  I was being kind on only 3-4000 images.  I use two additional shooters using my cameras (2xNikon D850 and Sony A7RV) .  Each Raw image about 60MB.  I get back 6000+ images but many are shot on continuos and easy to drop dups.  Start culling from there to get the 250 or so perfect images. I was an early digital convert.  Just the Darkroom time would take weeks not counting edting with acetate overlays.

On ur point of the training set - if you want a whole image generator for any posible scenario would need a very large set. Imagine you need the whole world background, thousands and thoursand of different people, cultures, fashion, seasons, machines, etc. But if the scope of what is being asked for is only at the wedding with the wedding background, and people-- 3000 is way more than adequate.  And my sets are Mpix images not 2K.

Glad to meet someone who remembers what film is rather than read about it a history book.

Thank you for your reply.

1. Yes I have seen Adobes  PR on coprighted training content.  I find it lacking.  For Example, they just annouced the Veo2, Imagen, Flux1.1, DALLE and other third party AI are being added to Firefly- ie most of Adobe tools. How is that compliant with their Traininng Materials statement?

2. 3000 images is lot for training when you only need a narrow scope of employment. Image AI/Facerec have been around a long time (just look at Lightroom).  I run CLIP (That is a French Image AI ) against my training set and that is only about 150 images and it will do better than a crappy 2K resolution of adobes and I am not trying to make an unrecognizble face I am wanting to reproduce the faces I have.  Which makes it easy.  Training time vectorizing directory only takes about 10 minutes.

3. At some point Adobe will have to wake up and decide who they are building tools for.  Artists? or 5th graders.  For example I can not even take an image of the Sistine Chapel and edit it because is has nudity.

My point of this thread was I see Adobe making wrong decisions-- I am old school and started on adobe in 1991.  Buying, owning, and installing on my copy.  When they started subscription model and the "cloud" I was not a fan.  I see Adobe trying to drive eveyone into the cloud with the idea that is needed for AI.  It is not.  My toolkit has DXO, ON1Raw, RawTherapee, Darktable, Corel Paint, Anthropics PortraitPro, NVIDIA ChatRTX.  I still think Photoshop is a great tool but it is fast losing ground to these others and their policy and direction on new tech will make them untenable in my mind.

I agree with c.pfaffenbichler's view that generated AI content would take more than a few thousand images to reliably generate acceptable content.
That said, the idea of being able to have content aware fill draw its content from more than one image is, in my view, a good one. Even two or three images could potentially give a better result than can be done from the image being edited. I would certainly support an expansion to content aware fill on that basis.

As an aside, I had to smile at 3-4000 images from a wedding. Many years ago I used to photograph weddings on roll film in 6x7 format which was 10 on a roll. I can't imagine coming away with 400 rolls to process. How things have changed! 🙂

Dave

Regarding »copyrighted …«: Did you inform yourself about Adobe’s AI training material? 

Edit: https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/get-set-up/learn-the-basics/adobe-firefly-faq.html#:~:text=The%20current%20Firefly%20generative%20AI,along%20with%20public%20domain%20content.

I suspect that 3000 images might constitute an insufficient amount of images to train an image generating AI if one expects fairly decent output.

(Edit: I underlined »suspect« because I am aware that I do not know how many images would constitute a decent basis but based on the coverage of generative AI in the news it seems that volume is an important factor.)

The 3000 images are my original content from the wedding that I referenced.  I am saying Gen Ai trained on somebody elses copyrighted material is not what I want-- I want the Gen Ai to train itself on my coprighted content and let me use that in my work to make my editing easier and faster.  A fancier way to look at extending content fill across the  mage collection.  When I edit problems in my images I leverage my whole collection of  images and use the content as sources for when parts are needed. Same is true of video - the whole reason to shoot lots of B roll.

»Have content fill generated across 3000 different images would be great.«

What is that supposed to mean?