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Eccentric Locust
Inspiring
April 4, 2018
Under Review

Support AV1 Video Encoding and Decoding

  • April 4, 2018
  • 164 replies
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AV1 has been becoming a more and more popular codec for not just streamers, but also content creators and filmmakers. Video hosting platforms, such as YouTube, are now implementing AV1 as a way to easily stream video content to audiences at lower bandwidths. Filmmakers, and especially content creators, are asking for AV1 for creating high quality content without too much compromise for file sizes and ease of use when viewing.

 

Having the benefit of AV1 video will help with preserving the best image quality at a much smaller and efficient file size than codecs like H.264. HEVC/H.265 is supported in Premiere Pro and it's a very nice codec. In fact, both HEVC and AV1 perform very similarly. However, it would be wonderful to have the flexibility of additional codecs that are gaining traction in modern media.

 

HEVC isn't supported everywhere, largely due to their licensing slowing down adoption. Meanwhile, AV1 is open source, so it would be easier to adopt without the concern for licensing; thus, making it more popular with platforms than HEVC.

 

Competing video editing platforms have also supported AV1 encoding and decoding for some time and I have been wanting Adobe to look into it for a while.

 

Overall, I highly recommend Adobe include AV1 encoding and decoding support for Premiere Pro. I strongly believe it will heavily encourage more people to create the best content with a codec that is extremely efficient as it is excellent at preserving image quality.

164 replies

Eccentric Locust
Inspiring
October 17, 2024

Perhaps it may help if the Adobe team provide some sort of input and maybe potentially set the status of this feature request to something like "Acknowledged" at least just so that we have some form of reassurance that the folks at Adobe do in fact hear us regarding this topic.

 

It has been an ongoing discussion for over a year now since this feature request was made. Lots of perspectives have been expressed and it's been proven to be quite a hot topic.

 

I'm not sure what the prerequisites are for a feature request to be considered "Acknowledged" by Adobe, but it could help with just knowing that we are all being heard. For all I know, it could just be "luck of the draw".

 

I'm also with @R Neil Haugen on the AV1 codec having great benefits as well as tradeoffs, but also its place on the priority list at Adobe is rather iffy depending on the data from its user base, whether they be professionals or simply hobbyists.

 

Regardless, I'll still champion for the inclusion of AV1 support (at least as a deliverable codec to export to!). It's taken them quite some time for them to bring back MKV support that they removed long ago so they could be focusing on that first before AV1. But who knows how their priority list is ordered, heh.

R Neil Haugen
Legend
October 17, 2024

You are rather ... self-contained, perhaps? How about sitting back and thinking a spell?

 

First, are you that certain that every user is like you? How many Premiere users actually want to work in AV1? What percentage of the user base?

 

Yes, AV1 is a good deliverable format, for streaming services. Do you understand that there are normally professionally viewed differences between deliverable codecs and editing ones?

 

For instance, H.264/5 is a great capture codec for smaller format devices such as drones, as it allows for a massive compression of data without too much notable visual crud happening.

 

It is also a good deliverable format, for the same reason. Smallifies a data file remarkably. Very heavily requested as a deliverable file.

 

But it has notably been considered a horrible editing format/codec. Well, it's ... some better, now, with the chips in some CPUs that can do hardware decoding. Still, the majority of colorists will not grade an H.264/5 clip. They transcode to typically ProRes or a DNx variant.

 

Also, they would never send an H.264/5 clip out to Vfx ... just, no.

 

And they work normally on massive machines. In Resolve or Baselight. 

 

AV1 is a similar format/codec. A really good deliverable for streaming. But ... requires either massive computer effort or specific hardware for attempting to use in editing.

 

Adobe's staffers have never said they won't add it, just that it isn't high enough on the priority list as seen by studying their user base.

 

While some Premiere users complain about the lack of support for AV1 in Premiere, look at Resolve.

 

Their staffers have made it very clear it will be a cold day "way down there!" ... before ProRes RAW is even considered in Resolve.

 

All organizations have to make priority lists, and like any other, Adobe's devs do so based not on whims but on hard data. Unless perhaps there are inter-corporation issues, which is not the case with AV1 in Adobe programs.

 

Which hard data ... you do not have. From everything I can see anywhere, you are greatly overstating the interest/need ... at this time ... for AV1.

 

Which like others, I'd love to have added into the app. Along with a ton of other things. They simply can't do everything at once, no matter the opinions of users. That's reality.

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
Participating Frequently
October 17, 2024

YouTube, Netflix, Vimeo, Twitch, Amazon Prime—well, basically every major streaming service already uses AV1, with great benefits for every application. But the software that sells itself as a creator's dream doesn't support it. I regret having paid for this farce, and they don't even allow me to cancel without paying an exorbitant fine.

 

Maybe it's too difficult for Adobe's developers. Poor fellows, they must be too busy creating AI tools that don't work at all.

 

With Adobe, everything is inverted. Every major streaming service supports it, three years of hardware supports it, but Premiere, the tool that is supposed to create the content to feed those streaming services, does not support it. Yes, that makes perfect sense.

 

We have to beg to have the basics and even have to put up with consumers who, for some reason, think that this mercenary company deserves any defense.

 

Seriously, guys, if you also have unanswered demands other than AV1, that's also on Adobe. There are no excuses for Premiere not to be complete software. Think about how much you pay for it, please.

 

It is not about priority but incompetence. They do not care about any of us. They are launching AI features just to lure curious people into subscribing to their service (and then charge a ridiculous fine if the user wants to cancel the subscription). All of this is because there is no way to crack those AI features.

 

Money is all they care about, if they could charge you for every AV1 export they would advertise it everywhere, they would make everyone believe that AV1 is absolutely necessary, they would even rename the software to Premiere AV1 Pro. That's it, that's their priority system. Money.

 

They don't care about your workflow. 

R Neil Haugen
Legend
October 17, 2024

As stated over and over: this is a codec used by a relatively small subset of the several million daily users.

 

Apparently by their data, other things that would be used by a larger percentage of the user base, are getting higher priority.

 

I'm on the short list myself for a number of things that would really help me in my work. The devs are very sympathetic, but still have to say my wishes would not be used by enough users to get moved up the priority list.

 

That's Life. Understand, as much as anyone would wish otherwise, this codec will rise up the priority list when their data puts it higher than the half billion others on the priority list.

 

That actually pretty simple

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
MyerPj
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 16, 2024

Currently there is no AV1 support. As users we don't know if/when it will be added.

Arttek_314
Participating Frequently
October 16, 2024

I looked, as far as I understand it hasn't been added? Is there a technical reason for this, or would Adobe not be so stubborn? Actually, if there is a technical reason, I think they should explain it to their users.

Arttek_314
Participating Frequently
October 16, 2024

Baktım, anladığım kadarıyla eklenmemiş? Bunun teknik bir nedeni var mı, yoksa Adobe bu kadar inatçı olmaz mıydı? Aslında teknik bir sebep varsa bunu kullanıcılarına açıklamaları gerektiğini düşünüyorum.

MyerPj
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 16, 2024

This thread has 6 pages, take a look, even just the recent comments.

Arttek_314
Participating Frequently
October 16, 2024

Friends, is av1 support available in premiere pro 2025? Or do I have to switch to another application?

R Neil Haugen
Legend
October 16, 2024

And understand, none of us are at all against adding any codec.

 

I do think you may feel it's more important to more users than it is. That is all.

Everyone's mileage always varies ...