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Sherwood_Martinelli
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October 21, 2017
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Is the Adobe Stock Photo program a rip off for artists?

  • October 21, 2017
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So, have had six sales...one would think I should be excited...I am not.

Six sales each giving someone the right to use my image 500,000 times and I've not even made $4 yet...some sales have paid me as little as 35 cents, and my earnings on six sales is a meager $3.56   At this rate, I'll be dead and buried before I reach the $50 minimum required to get paid by Adobe Stock.  I loaded up 50 pics to give the service a try....I have over 50,000 images.

Is it just me, or are others not satisfied with the profits splits, and lack of sales that provide a modicum of pricing that lets artists earn a living.  I ask, as I also belong to Viewbug, and they are encouraging us to join Adobe Stock, and not sure doing so is in the best interests of those who are on Viewbug.

Correct answer MatHayward

I use the "Reasonable expectation of privacy rule...if I am shooting at say an outdoor festival, not going to carry around several hundred releases.   IF sites like Adobe want model releases where one is clearly not necessary, then they can reject my upload.


This is great feedback and I really appreciate the discussion. I will do my best to answer all of your questions. If I missed something please remind me and I'll respond asap. I am traveling this week (PPE in NYC..if you are there stop by and say hi!) so the responses will likely be slower than normal. My apologies in advance.

1.) Yes, the standard license does allow a print run of up to 500,000 copies. The cost for the license varies based on the number of images the customer commits to purchase. The more they buy, the less the cost is per individual download. Standard licenses range from $9.99 for a single download to $199.99 for 750 downloads. The commission for contributors is 33% of the price paid. There is a minimum payout in place for those large subscriptions where the individual download price is fairly low. Later I will share with you a link that has information about how payments are calculated and processed.

2.) How many photos does it take to be successful? I like to answer that question with a question..."How long is a piece of string?" I'm not being snarky it's just an impossible question to answer. It will of course vary based on the quality of the content, the relevancy to the current demands of customers and how effective the keywording is. It also depends on your definition of success as a stock photographer. If you are looking for some supplemental income to pay for some random camera gear every now and then you may be able to meet your goals with a small portfolio. There are contributors that upload a few pictures a year, they make a few bucks and they are cool with that. There are also those that look at shooting stock as a full time job, they are organized and strategic and upload thousands of solid stock images each year and they make significant income. The average contributor falls somewhere between that. I recommend new contributors set a goal of 1,000 unique images. Unique being the key word there..you can't submit hundreds of images of the same sunset and expect to see a significant financial windfall. Be intentional about shooting stock. Be selective and submit only the best of each shoot.

3.) We do have an "owners manual" so to speak. Our learn and support pages have recently been updated and will provide you with a thorough range of information: tagproducts_SG_STOCK-CONTRIBUTOR_i18nKeyHelppagetitle

In addition, I have created a series of videos that show my workflow in setting up a shoot, executing the shoot, editing, uploading, indexing and submitting. The videos can be seen in the following blog posts: 

From Shoot to Sale: Part 1 | Creative Cloud blog by Adobe

From Shoot to Sale: Part 2 | Creative Cloud blog by Adobe

14 replies

v.poth
Inspiring
January 20, 2018

Hi,

I think it always depends on which requirements you have as a supplier how steep the success curve is...

As an industry expert and professional photographer, illustrator, etc., you naturally have the best preconditions to be able to offer good image material that is requested by customers. You will be able to generate sales from the very beginning and will be able to increase his sales very quickly with more uploads. Due to his professional experience, he knows exactly what he has to produce and how to meet the customer's demand very precisely. Take a look at the portfolios of Anja Kaiser, Christian Hillebrand or the well-known Lassedesignen.

The amateur photographer/hobby illustrator etc. with private experience in the creation of pictures acquires his knowledge of the stock industry, the necessary skills, and the customer demand in the beginnings first of all himself. This takes different lengths of time depending on the learning speed and talent. Some of the hobby suppliers manage to become full-time pole professionals within a few years and some of them make a good income during this period. Some people hardly generate any income despite a growing portfolio. Here, however, we are talking about a period of years and not weeks or months that is necessary.

The less knowledge you have, the more difficult it is to be successful here, I think. As a hobby provider, consider the professional and semi-professional competition you face here. This is a professional stock agency that wants to offer its clients professional stock images.

I think, as Mat already remarked, the increase in sales is already dependent on the quantity of the picture offer, but this depends strongly on the quality, uniqueness and corresponding to the branch of the saleability of the pictures how fast and how high it turns out.

A thousand images in the portfolio can earn 20 credits per month, but also 1000 or more.

You really can't answer this question in general, but you can generally say that the better the technical requirements, the more suitable imagery is already available and the steeper the learning curve, the faster the sales increase.

Generally speaking, I think it is a rocky path that can take different lengths of time depending on the preconditions to achieve the success one has expected and feels appropriate for oneself according to one's engagement and ambitions.

Greets,

v.poth

January 19, 2018

I also am wondering the same thing.  I have sold only two pictures for a whopping 18 cents each.  Eighteen cents!?  What does a picture sell for that only generates 18 cents for the photographer?  I am also curious as to why some pictures are rejects for "artifacts" the picture is clear, in focus, and the color and lighting is correct. 

I am more of a landscape photographer than "smiling happy shiny people" photographer.  I do have a few "selfies" 

Ricky336
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 21, 2017

The market tends to want happy, smiling people doing something - so if you have a lot of shots without people, then I don't think sales will be as high. I tend not to shoot happy, smiling people - I don't like this type of photography - therefore my sales are not so high.

But, I'll continue to upload for the time being. Contributing here though does give a chance for other people to see what I do and someone may actually like my style- who knows. Each to their own. The potential is there - just might take awhile!

stephen302
Participant
October 22, 2017

Do people displaying lots of shots of "happy, smiling people" get model releases from every one of their such subjects? I spontaneously shoot really good outdoor people pics whether someone knows that I am shooting them or not, but I don't have time to ask strangers for model releases. When I saw how amazing my own people pics were, I became dismayed that I had to hide such pics from the public eye. Ever since I shared my own local Labor Day pics, which included lots of people from whom I obtained no releases, my own local Labor Day parade has never happened again. No one has ever said anything to me about such, but my guess is that I am the only reason for the end of my own local Labor Day parade. I am not, however, really the Grinch who stole Labor Day. Actually, my own people pics are really nice, not really mean at all.

Ricky336
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 23, 2017

stephen302  wrote

Do people displaying lots of shots of "happy, smiling people" get model releases from every one of their such subjects?

Most probably yes! Or else they would not be able to sell them on stock sites like Adobe!

MatHayward
Legend
October 21, 2017

Thanks for the feedback. To answer your direct question "Is Adobe Stock Photo program a rip off for artists?"...the answer is no.

There is limitless opportunity with your content now available to millions of customers and more joining every day. To succeed as a contributor does however require hard work and great content. This is definitely not a get rich quick scheme and you will likely need more than 50 images in your portfolio to find success. The business model is based on volume. While some individual commissions can be perceived as low, especially when you are only getting a handful a week or month, those sub-dollar commissions start to add up as your build your portfolio and find dozens or even hundreds of sales each day.

The secret to success isn't actually a secret. You need to create dynamic content that appeals to a diverse range of customers and you need to do so on a consistent basis. Upload the content and use effective keywords to accurately describe what is in your content so it can be found. We are working very hard to make Adobe Stock the most appealing agency in the world for both customers and contributors. The ball is in your court to take advantage of that effort.

I wish you the best of luck!

Mat Hayward

Sherwood_Martinelli
Known Participant
October 23, 2017

Dear Mat:

First, thank you for the reply...does not really answer my questions, but sounds more like a pep talk.   So, a few more questions, or perhaps suggestions on making it easier to find some solid/concrete answers to some questions, or perhaps guidance to make a useful Newbie Guidebook on getting the most out of our relationship with Adobe Stock.

1.  I know that people purchasing a license to use my work all seem to be generating an income to me of less than one dollar for a license that lets them use my image 500,000 times.  What is Adobe selling the license for, or what is my percentage as the artist/photographer who created and uploaded the picture?

2.  You state being successful here requires hard work, and went on further to say 50 pictures is an inadequate representation if one wants over time to develop Adobe Stock into a viable income stream.  Perhaps some guidance to new members of the community is in order here?   IE...what is an adequate group of photographs?  100, 1000, ten thousand?  A secondary question...Viewbug is encouraging members to join Adobe Stock...has Adobe considered figuring out a way for us to move our Viewbug pictures over to Adobe stock...IE, my current account there has over 1100 images, and according to my stats I am always in the top 30 or above when it comes to traffic.   Is there a way we can BULK upload our photographs, and then go in as time allots to properly tag them. 

Telling me the ball is in my court is not really an answer...it's like tossing me the keys to a car with zero instruction...every car I have ever bought comes with an owners manual...maybe Adobe should think of creating an easy to understand owners manual that people can read and when finished feel as if they have a reasonable understanding of what it takes to be successful on the site.

Dynamic content is subjective...I have a lot of dynamic content, but it might not be the right subject matter.  IE, if as one poster in this thread has suggested most of your clients are looking for just happy smiling people, that's not where my personal lens gravitates to...having a better understanding of what your customers are looking for when shopping images would give us as artists a much clearer vision of what would or would not work for us in uploading our images.  If say only one percent of your clients gravitate toward a subject theme that constitutes a large body of my own work, spending hours uploading, tagging hundreds or thousands of picture in that genre would probably be an exercise in futility. 

Any way, thank you for your answers and quick response.

Sherwood

Participating Frequently
March 30, 2018

I completely agree 100% with everything you have said here. I have had similar issues with Adobe Stock and I am a newbie here as well. I have my work uploaded and accepted all the time on Shutterstock and I make decent money there as a newbie. But with Adobe I feel like they reject so much of my stuff. It becomes very discouraging. Maybe the clientele that Adobe has is quite different from Shutterstock, I don't know. But thank goodness there are people out there who feel the same way I do! Thanks for writing what you wrote here so adequately and succinctly. Good luck to us all!