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ImaRetiredTeacher
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September 19, 2023
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Just wondering why...

  • September 19, 2023
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Hello all,

I just had a wonderful picture turned down for lack of commercial appeal. It's a great, original shot. So, if it's fine technically, why can't it be included? How can anyone definitively know what someone might be interested in?

I'm purposely not including the asset because I'm protective of my ideas.

Is there an appeal process? Perhaps it would get in if I had chosen a different category. I think maybe I mislabeled it. I'm not in this this to get rich. Even if it meets one person's needs, isn't that worth it??

Thank you 😃

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Ricky336
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September 20, 2023

Hello,

Just to add - you have to think commercially. Commercial value in the photo. Concept photos do well - with people in them.

Landscape photos, flowers, pets and so on don't do so well these days as there are gazillions of such themes!

Lack of commercial appeal - well, it is hard to determine what the appeal is - one man's junk is another man's treasure, and so on...

ImaRetiredTeacher
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September 23, 2023

Thank you. I've noticed that people seem to be the key. This was a picture of a girl doing something. I'm over it now. Moving onward now...

daniellei4510
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Community Expert
September 20, 2023

I must say, if you're really that worried about your image or idea being stolen, it's best you don't put it on the internet at all. Even had the image been accepted, the tools are readily available to remove water marks and enlarge screen shots to computer display and even printable sizes. Can this happen? Yes. WILL it happen? Extremely unlikely. If you prefer not to take the risk, you're only available option is to keep it off the internet and just show your work to friends and family. But where's the fun (or the potential profit) in that? 🙂

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ImaRetiredTeacher
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September 20, 2023

You have completely missed my point...

daniellei4510
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Community Expert
September 20, 2023

Assuming your point was to start a discussion as to what is and isn't of commercial value, then no, I wasn't addressing that point. But that doesn't help you with respect to the reason your image was not accepted and we can be of little assistance beyond making guesses as to why it was rejected. @Ricky336 made the point that landscapes, flowers, pets. etc. don't do well these days. And yet landscapes, pets and food are my bestsellers, while my people images, for the most part, kind of languish. Yet the latter is what I enjoy doing most and are regularly accepted. (Let me stop for a moment to clarify: I am relatively new here and I'm not trying to suggest that I've sold dozens of landscapes, pets and food images...they are simply what have sold the most of in comparison to my images of people, which are largely fashon and skin care themed).

 

Anyway, MY point was that we can be of little help based on your vague description of the image being technically fine and original--which the moderators certainly take into consideration. But without actually seeing the image, we can only address the issue philosophically while offering no concrete assistance.

Best,
Daniel

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Abambo
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Community Expert
September 20, 2023

"Commercial appeal" means that Adobe does not think that the asset would fit into their database. There is normally no obvious defect in the image. The refusal does not mean that it is a bad picture, even that I have seen many pictures, where I would say that they have a lack of commercial appeal. 

 

I would suggest that you just move on. There is no appeal process. The category is meaningless and if you mislabel, you get a different refusal.

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George_F
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September 19, 2023

@Jill_C is right, it's very challenging to speculate without seeing the image.  You could even PM it to a few of us who contribute often if that would make you more comfortable.  No pressure either way though.

 

It's possible that there are quality issues as well as a lack of commercial appeal.  The moderators only choose one rejection reason, but there could be multiple rejection reasons.

 

I'm willing to bet that Adobe is pretty in tune with what does and doesn't sell well.  They probably have access to any number of metrics about what people are searching for and purchasing.  The Artists Hub is a great place to see what is in demand, if you haven't visited already it's pretty informative.

 

On the other hand, I shoot primarily for other uses and submit what I create to Stock as a secondary outlet.  For me, whatever gets accepted is great, but what gets rejected I move on from.  Only in the last year or so have I started considering Stock use as I'm shooting at a location.  I usually take some shots for my portfolio, and then consider if there is a composition that is better suited for Stock while I'm there.

 

I know I didn't exactly answer your question, but I hope some of that is helpful.  I absolutely hear you that rejections can be disheartening, but hang in there!  There is some trial and error involved until you get a feel for what Adobe is looking for.

 

Cheers!

George F, Photographer & Forum Volunteer
ImaRetiredTeacher
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September 19, 2023

Thanks for your response. There is always useful information one can glean 😃 Yes, it can be frustrating. It took me awhile to get the hang of lightroom, since I'm "classically trained" and it was tough to learn to back up and "include the entire subject" but I've done that (mostly, haha). And, I take my time to be sure flaws are corrected. I just don't think anyone has a crystal ball about what buyers want. There are always outliers. Eventually, I plan to submit my rejects to another stock site.

Thanks again, always appreciate when others use their time for replies.

Jill_C
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Community Expert
September 19, 2023

If you don't upload the image here, no one can comment as to its commercial appeal. No one comes here to "steal" ideas from other contributors. The category, such as landscape, animals, food, etc. is irrelevant and not really used at all by Adobe buyers to search for images, so would not have mattered to the Moderator. Moderators evaluate an image on its merits, and don't concern themselves with whether or not your title and keywords are germane to the image. There is no appeal process. You can re-edit and resubmit the image and try again; however resubmitting the same image repeatedly can get you accused of spamming the database which can get your account shut down.

Jill C., Forum Volunteer
ImaRetiredTeacher
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September 19, 2023

Thanks for always answering, Jill,

I appreciate that most people would not "steal" ideas (obviously, you wouldn't, which is likely why you think others wouldn't), but this world is full of people who lack integrity. My main question is: Even if only one person finds it appealing, why can't it be included if there are no technical flaws? Who can say for sure that it isn't what some people are looking for? I understand turning it down for technical reasons, but to me, no one is a mind reader regarding customers needs.

 

Jill_C
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 19, 2023

As @George_F indicated, it's possible that there are other flaws in the image as well, and that the "commercial appeal" button is the first one the Moderator landed on. I have also had some lovely images rejected for "commercial appeal" which seemed quite puzzling at the time, but I just shrugged and moved on. Since reviews are done by humans, there is a certain amount of variability in the process. But I have so many other images that I could possibly submit, that I don't waste time fretting about it...

Jill C., Forum Volunteer