P:Limitation of Adobe Generative AI user guidelines [merged thread]

"Adobe should not be responsible for governing content.  If some offensive content is
created then the remedy is to turn to the courts"

By@sjedens 

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Which courts, where?

Different regions have their own decency & morality laws.  What works for you in one place could be a 20 year prison sentence in another. And that's not hyperbole. There are women who have lost their lives for an improperly applied Hijab (head covering).  Nudity would be unthinkable.

Adobe is a global business that must respect the laws of govts inside and outside North America. If you can't understand that, maybe you should use a regional service instead of a global one.

I agree with you completely.  But I also understand that it is their software and they make the rules.  This type of issue is not uncommon for an American company.  America has its pros and cons. I would suggest you look around the internet for another program. Or find a creative way around it. 

Hello,

I am a photographer who works with female models. Sometimes the models are nude, other times they are not. However, I've found that perhaps around 90% of the time, if a woman is in the image at all, even if she is clothed, and I attempt to use generative fill to remove anything from the photo it will block my attempt. 

The biggest issue seems to be the fact that it blocks any image with a woman in it. I would say that this is clearly sexist, but I haven't tested it with male models because I generally only work with women. But a secondary issue is the fact that generative fill won't allow one to use the feature at all, even if the part of the photo you're attempting to use it on does not involve the subject whatsoever. In other words, let's say I'm editing a photo I've taken of a nude model, and I want to remove an outlet from a wall in part of the photo. It blocks me from doing this. Yes, there are other easy ways to remove an outlet, and I've even found workarounds to using generative fill when a nude model is involved. But in my opinion, there are clearly some pretty major issues surrounding "user guidelines" with generative fill. 

If I were attempting to remove the clothes of a clothed person with generative fill - totally understandable why that would be blocked. If I were using generative fill to edit anything at all on the body of a nude model - I could possibly understand that too. But if the edit I'm making is not even touching the body of the model, what could possibly be the harm in that? How could anyone "abuse" that? As a side note, I've found that generative fill is absolutely awful and generating anything connected to the human body anyway, unless it's a straight line, like a forarm. Have you ever tried extending a photo where you accidentally cropped off someones finger, toes, or even boots? The results are horrifying. 

I recognize the obvious problem here - I would not be seeking obscene content, but in fact, I am asking for an age restricted paid for version with the possibility of nudity. It seems like an obvious step as many of the images generated are not suitable because the clothing just doesnt work for life drawing.

I noticed that Photoshop.  just like many places in AI, does not support nudity.    That's a huse mistake.  Photoshop is used in art with nudity all the time.     I am sure the root of this has to do with the AI community but i would advise Adobe to re-consider..    That are many tools now which ignore the AI community guidelines on nudity.

There are numerous posts regarding similar topics in the forum. The response has always been referred back to the Usage Guidelines in order to prevent misuse of the service. 

Many users may have good intentions or in your case, a use for artistic needs, but how do you determine that vs someone using this to manipulate someone to remove clothing or other misuse?

https://community.adobe.com/t5/adobe-firefly-discussions/explicit-images-in-firefly-premium-subscription/m-p/14191291#M5053

https://community.adobe.com/t5/adobe-firefly-bugs/generative-fill-censorship/idi-p/14258069

I understand that the nude female form can be misused in our weird society but I am a boudoir photographer and would like to, as an example, I would like to add angel wings to a nude female figure. since the client is on my computer and not being generated by Firefly why can't I do this?  The female form is a viable customer base and Firefly is limiting the use of creative  additions to these clients.  

Adobe Stock has many tastefull nudes so obviously Adobe recognizes the female form as an artform.

Ich verstehe nicht warum Begriffe wie vollbusig oder großes Dekolletee nicht erlaubt sind. Das hat nichts mit Sexismus, Po-n- oder ähnlichem zu tun. Ich wollte ein Model erstellen mit großer Oberweite für einen Modeflyer, sämtlich Begriffe wurden nicht angenommen. Dann habe ich ein Bild aus einer Datenbank gekauft. Wofür Firefly wenn ich dann doch wieder zukaufen muss?

Platform: firefly.adobe.com

Bug: I created a human male reference image to use as a pose reference. His genitalia are covered with the equivalent of swim trunks or briefs. The image is instantly removed when I submit the prompt with a pop-up stating it violates user guidelines. I'm constantly running into this sort of problem with both reference images and prompts with zero feedback on what the filter found offensive. I'm 100% behind Adobe's ethical practices, but these filters are ridiculous and render the product nearly useless for a production environment. Simply too much time is wasted on what seems like random and arbitrary "no nos."

[Edit: Had to remove the reference image from this post because the filters here state that it contains naughty-bits. Even though the entire area was painted over from hip to hip with opaque flat white.]
[Edit #2: Had to remove the more common English usage of the same "g" word I used in my bug description in order to submit the post. The error was message was hilarious: "The message body contains g*****ls, which is not permitted ..."]

@Rangga36724153lvwy , what do you want to communicate?