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Todd_Kopriva
Inspiring
June 2, 2011
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Adobe seeking feedback about panels, palettes, workspaces, and other UI elements

  • June 2, 2011
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Several folks within Adobe are discussing the user interfaces for our various applications, and we'd like your feedback.

Do you use After Effects, Premiere Pro, Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom? Other Adobe applications?

If so, please post your comments on this forum thread comparing your experiences with the user interfaces of these applications.

Regarding the panels, palettes, workspaces, and overall UI paradigms in these applications: What do you like? What do you hate? Do you care that the applications are different in this regard? What differences do you even notice?

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    hexclimber
    Inspiring
    March 19, 2015

    I use Lightroom and Photoshop CC 2014.  First wish would be for: the ability to access my network drive from my laptop and keywork, edit, etc all my photos.  Is there anyone that wouldn't want that...???  A very close second would be for: Mappable keyboard... That would be so very amazingly truly awesome.  Let me pick the keys for Unpick, Pick, Reject, etc, etc, etc.  MUCH more usable.

    eossipov
    Known Participant
    November 27, 2014

    Hi, I'm pretty new to adobe, so I'm pretty happy with most things overall, having said that, I would like it if Photoshop could have the same Font Window as Illustrator. We can layout the whole font and see each character in Illustrator, but not in Photoshop, doesn't seems to make allot of sense,I've even snoopped a bit, but not much for the script thinking I'd just add it as an additional menu in photoshop.

    From a Technical Perspective the one item that bothers me very much is that you put everything regarding my use in the *roaming app Data* profile, even though I  did *NOT*  have a roaming profile setup.

    See, windows has this issue with roaming profiles and app data, you can't just go in and 'clean it out" you end up having to start a new profile, and have to readjust many settings you would have already have set. The profiles just "grow and grow." Profiles cannot be placed on an external drive and work effectively since it is likely your hard drive, (solid state or 7200rpm) is likely faster than what ever you'd be running on an external drive.  Additionally, you do provide for Some settings (brushes, etc) to declare another directory.. this is a good feature, I'd be sunk without it

    See, on a PC that app data is almost loaded into hi-mem, creating this monstrous drag on system resources when there's really no need for it.

    If Minimal items could be kept in your primary libraries, then user libraries could be kept on an external drive(where I keep mine) especially with any/all tools, lighting, that kind of thing, there is no reason for it to be kept within profile data. .. I'm on my second year with adobe, I'm on my second profile, which currently is at 108 Gigs. (all app data) and I clean it, pack the drive, clean my registry religiously. From what I understand Mac Computers don't have this issue?    Yeap... almost Christmas...

    So, To Recap: 1. Font Panel viewing and able to copy/paste full glyph panels, for all variations of glyphs.

    2. Store user data, settings, anything you can that's not required to be in AppData somewhere else so this doesn't interfere with system settings and user profile efficiency. The difference is available resources at any given time could/maybe be reduced significantly with negligible loss of application speed, if any at all. A person probably wouldn't even notice it. ~ imho. I might think of more later. But I have to tell you I'm much more impressed with this product, your desire to help the client, than I've ever seen adobe. and it sure beats my first year and calling india..      Keep up the GREAT Work and GREAT Attitude!

    (and where did lightroom Laura go?)

    March 26, 2012

    This could not have come at a better time. I have been using the following Adobe products religiously since 1992 (some before they belonged to Adobe)

    • Photoshop 7.0 (I know, I know, what can I say but it's too expensive for me to up grade)
    • Premiere Pro (not so religious)
    • DreamWeaver, Flash, Fireworks, Authorware
    • PageMaker, Type Manager

    In all this time, and with the exception of the Flash plugin problems a few years ago, nothing has truly bugged me until I began using dual monitors. On two occasions, one being today, I am stuck not being able to get to my preferences  panel because it's position on my screen is anyone's guess. Oh it's out there somewhere I can hear it laughing at me from the dark corners of my monitor. Ding! when I click here. Ding! when I click there. It's enough to drive a person to drink...err....more. To top it off, the option to save or not save palette locations is where? You guessed it, in the preferences panel. The ONLY other thing even more annoying is when I go to select an object on the canvas, and the layer selection jumps to a locked layer BELOW the one I'm clicking, and then DING! Photoshop informs me that I can not modify anything on a locked layer. A LOCKED LAYER, that PHOTOSHOP SELECTED, NOT I. Why photoshop would jump the selection to a locked layer in the first place is baffling enough, but to then tell me that I can't do that as though I'm the one who selected the locked layer, it is just plain rude.

    FYI:  The "Reset Palette Locations" has no affect on the preference panel, nor on that other annoying little "Maximize Compatibility" prompt when saving which is ALSO off gallivanting somewhere in the ethers.

    Thanks for asking,

    Randy

    Participant
    February 1, 2012

    Two features on UI: AE compared to Premiere/ Edit in Mocha

    Using the timeline, I wish I could hold an alternate key and reorder the layers (up and down) by dragging them on the timeline area. At the moment afaik this is just possible by dragging from the layer’s name.

    The Premiere flexibility grabbing tracks is what I’m missing here.

    Edit original/Send to Mocha

    I’d like to be able to place on Mocha a trimmed layer with the ease of use of the “Edit original” command. Sending the trimmed layer to Mocha and be ready to track with a key shortcut would be a great timesaver.

    Thank you.

    Inspiring
    January 18, 2012

    Is AE using AIR to render Script UI panels? I have a bunch of scripts palettes in my workspace. And I notice each palette is white with a thin AIR-like loading bar for each window when I launch AE (or switch workspaces). It would be nice if AE could load Script UI palettes more transparently (the correct interface color) and faster.

    Participant
    January 17, 2012

    AE:

    - Overall the UI's feels way too slow - i'd love to have instant reaction to klicking & dragging, even in complex AE Comps with 100+ Layers. With "caps lock" pressed all interactions should be possible be in realtime.

    - The controls for shape layers, layer styles and text propertys are currently hidden deep inside the layer propertys and it takes a lot of klicks to acces them. Also when unfolded, they take up a lot of precious room in the timeline, wich makes it hard to keep track of multiple layers. So we need either hotkeys for each of them, just like "p" for position, "m" for mask and so on (wich would make up for a lot of shortcuts you'll have to remember) or an all new attributes panel (think of an effect palette for layer attributes). As an alternative the layer attributes could reside inside the effect panel as well (might lead to confusions regarding the render order though).

    - The window layout often gets messed up when resizing one panel. Would be nice if panels try to retain their ideal size when others are changed in height - or restore their former size as soon as possible.

    AI:

    - The interface feels very cluttered - especialy for former Freehand users. Instead of a bunch of single palettes i'd prefer fewer but context sensitive panels, that change according to the current tool you are using.

    - The fact that Guide lines are affected by dragging a selection feels more like a bug than a feature.

    Participant
    November 2, 2011

    Please sync the cursor position in nested timelines in PPro, similar to pre-comps in AFX. That'll be great!

    Inspiring
    October 30, 2011

    More dreaming in AE.

    The UI has got pretty good

    but we could make it perfect.

    Expression editor window seperate and usable

    Expressions to be turnable off in U shortcut

    (does shift EE do this?)

    Why can't I have the Curve editor and the timeline open at the same time?

    I can in Maya

    I miss them being linked, even though it was terrible before at least it was in context

    I would love the conflicting options of

    A. being able to see what was off the artboard

    B. AE to only render the content in the window Like Shake

    I think the real opportunity in UI design could be education.

    Updates can inform people how the Application actually works, educate them in greater efficiency / quality.

    What about project template creation, like Maya, to encourage a bit of organisation amongst some of the operators out there.

    (You know who you are)

    In darker screen settings I can't find the seperator for filepath so I can widen the panel and actually read the file path when relinking files

    A REALLY REALLY useful thing would be if when I selected an object in the project, its file path was displayed along the full width bottom of the screen, like Shake's sort of tooltip thing.

    Then I could relink much much easier

    I often cannot click a cross hair with a pen

    maybe a wider tolerance is needed or a box

    intelligent zoom a la silhouetteRoto, with education about what it is.

    I know this has changed recently, but I still do not know what I am looking at.

    Please a project wide vector aliasing setting I can turn on at render

    Proper Project browser.

    quick, scrubbable clips,

    full screen and large thumbnail

    Icon view with Live content

    This MUST be possible?

    If Color Finesse was somehow integrated / made obsolete by proper color concatenation, then this would require UI design to instruct users on how not to break it etc.

    i.e. encourage the correct order of effects (tranforms, color, filter) by colour or something.

    what about a precomp effect? Does this make any actual sense.

    I mean we have a calculations effect... Not sure this really comes under UI

    again, change the code, save the UI

    Actually there needs to be some way to inform people about the spatial differences when switching to 32 bit.

    at the moment effects show when they do not fit a 16 bit colourspace, but nothing shows/indicates how a linear filtering effects sub pixel rendering in 32 bit projects.

    Live Folder in AfterEffects Project, so anything I put in that folder in the finder would be automatically in the project.

    wow. imagine. yes.

    How about an improvement to consolidate footage so any file with the same path would be consolidated to one, with conflict dialogues for different inport/interpretation settings...

    Basically some way of speeding up the import of other projects hassle.

    Very specific options in COLLECT FILES

    I do not need the extra project files, the extra vector layer folders etc. that are created.

    wonder if an "honour finder file structure" could work

    The option to remove the brackets from the (Footage) folder etc.

    maybe a Force local setting in filepaths for moved projects...

    Agree on removing all buttons from round the window.

    If I can use a keyboard shortcut I don't need it on screen.

    Did I say no twirl downs?

    Did I say nodes.

    Did I say nodes?

    Did I say pop up colour palettes (think Painter)

    Did I say LOCKable seperate effects control windows so you can pick whip between them.

    Main thing is really to be able to keep the main composition window the same size and position no matter what as I am always resetting it.

    Effects control palette should be able to automatically open to the correct full width. I use levels as the indicator of this.

    Though I have not used it much, I do like Motion context relative palette windows.

    Though I have not used it, I like context relative palettes in AutodeskAliasSGIWhoever

    ,

    Inspiring
    October 30, 2011

    oh

    collapsible / hideable comments/markers.

    They get in the way of layer end points.

    Actually, is a triangle the best/most accurate way to show a marker?

    I would like a hairline if possible

    you know i really miss OS9 pop up palettes. I know you sort of have that now in Photoshop, but what if I could stick and collapse a palette ANYWHERE.

    Now if only I could tuyrn OFF apple's pesky dock entirely.

    If we look at Lion etc. are we to believe that auto hiding UI is the future? That users are now used to looking for things to pop up and becme usable.

    I would love a single clear space with as much as possible hidden till required

    plus I still don't trust screen burn from any machine that just does one task all day

    Are there plans to make AE 10 bit display compatible as Photoshop has begun to do?

    Inspiring
    October 30, 2011

    sorry

    just poppig things in as I think about them

    In Illustrator, If I release to Layers it wold be AMAZING if it kept the names. I alwys forget, name everything, then allthe names disappear.

    And why does the text highlight disappear so often?

    And have you fixed the spaces in layer names AI bug? Just stick an auto underscore in, don't make me keep renaming it from scratch

    Inspiring
    October 30, 2011

    Hello

    I have been using after effects freelance for 13 years.

    I try to set up the panels as much like Shake as possible and so really like the things tha have made AE more Shake like..

    ( so obviously I want nodes. I want nodes. I want nodes, it is still linear, it is still limited)

    I put the project and effects panels on the left, because I am right handed.

    I set SPACE as a keystroke to my middle click (actually middle pen button) so I can scroll around.

    I love the tilde key maximise, even if the old tilde open/close all key action is now quite clunky

    And does zoom and the tilde now operate where the mouse is in shake style?

    My MAIN problem with UI is MOVING PANELS.

    I want to be able to set up a workspace that works for me and it to stay there.

    We have come a long way since floating panels, but I do not want to spend my time moving the UI around AT ALL.

    I see how it is useful for some things, but I would like the option to lock some things in place.

    I would love to be able to disable the double click opening on masks.

    I never use the layer or the footage window, but it is them involuntarily popping up that moves all the panels around.

    I love the new NEW VIEWER behaviour of popping next to each other, but would like to be able to set the order reversed so the new panel opens on the left.

    I have difficulty in Photoshop and Illustrator with the auto pop panels. I need to keep some open but then I close and lose them rather than dock them back. I do not think I would be happy having that in AE but you never know till you try it.

    I hated when you changed the open close behaviour of going in and out of precomps

    shift escape helps a bit and the mini flowcharts help but I have lost a way of working nevertheless

    I guess at some point we will get a form of layer comp

    Am trying to remember the UI is a way of understanding the CODE.

    So some UI weirdness is actually because of the coding inefficiencies and anomolies

    Change the code, change the UI (Save the World)

    UI changes could make things like the render order more apparent

    Could you show how a mask won't work without precomp?  or how an effect is comp sized not object sized?

    I HATE TWIRL DOWNS

    I find using Shape layers a nightmare as I have to open about ten twirlers before I can edit a shape.

    would like camera and light windows to pop up and be live editable more than they are.

    And COLOUR is still to slow to edit. make the colour palette pop straight up, under the mouse and be live in the ui

    SO

    POP UP BOX BAD

    TWIRL DOWN REALLY BAD

    INSTANT EDIT GOOD

    I guess Smoke abd Flame always had the UI edge, once you knew what you were doing. The test is how FAST can it be, which is usually how INTUITIVE can it be.

    But Intuition is changing with wider experience.

    The single greatest next step will be eye recognition, so click and keystrokes effect what I am looking at. I often forget to click on the window or App I want...

    But that's a bit LAB for now.

    Has anyone tried a live configurable grid, with sliders?

    I would like to set a grid based on what I need visually

    actually I never use sliders either, just scrubbable numbers

    My eyes are getting old so font size, checkbox size customisation maybe useful. Always liked everyones custom SHake UIs

    more thoughts later after breakfast.

    I said more than 5 things so you won't rememeber them anyway.

    Tristan

    Participant
    September 2, 2011

    After Effects lacks any way to easily and accurately re-size or position a mask.

    I had an elliptical mask that needed to be precise size (952px x 952px)  because type was to be set on its path but there is no way to do this.

    Flash needs to have the ability to do type-on-a-path (otherwise I wouldn't have needed to do it in AE).

    Both of these are usually simple tasks in other graphics programs - why not in Flash or AE?

    Also, all Adobe progs need more of the UI commonality that PShop, Illustrator and InDesign have.

    Thank you.

    September 3, 2011

    there is no such option in the Actions box ---