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March 17, 2024
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Creating a mogrt in HD and 4k with two different frames. 30 and 60 in one project?

  • March 17, 2024
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So  I am learning the software by watching YouTube. I made a mogrt that was a smooth logo spin in 4k.  I wanted to know if I was looking to make 2 4k and 2 HD with 30 and 60  frames, would I be able to do it in one project or would I have to make one for each?

 

Thank you.

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Community Expert
March 22, 2024

The only reason to create two different MOGRTs is if you want different levels of motion blur. Keyframes are based on time, and the frame rate does not change timing. The only way to change the timing is to use an expression that counts frames instead of time. 

 

If you have footage shot at 60 fps (59.97) and a 180º shutter, the motion blur will be half that of footage shot at 30 (29.97) with a 180º shutter (standard exposure time is equal to 1 over 360 divided by the shutter angle multiplied by the frame rate - 180º shutter at 30 fps = 1/60 second exposure time).

 

If you wanted to get fancy and have one MOGRT that would work with any frame rate and still match the motion blur, you could apply Pixel Motion Blur or CC Force Motion Blur on an adjustment layer and add the Shutter Angle to the MOGRT (or use a slider and some math), then create one MOGRT at the Maximum frame rate you expect to be using. I created a few MOGRTS at 120 FPS with Shutter Angle Controls, so I can use them in any Premiere Pro sequence and match the motion blur or even exaggerate it. I also have created many MOGRTs for clients with Menu Options to change the size from 4K to HD, to Social Media Square, to Social Media Landscape, so they only need one for any frame rate or frame size project they are working on. All it takes is a few simple expressions and some protected areas. 

 

I cannot imagine a MOGRT scenario requiring me to create an identical animation at 30 and 60 fps when one at 60 with Pixel Motion Blur (my favorite) added would do the job. 

 

 

Multipasser
Inspiring
October 26, 2025

I've done mogarts with a HD/4K switch.

easy. You just make a 4k comp in AE. You do all you animations in 4D.

On top of that layer you add an adjustmant layer with 'transform' plugin and set it to 50% scale.

 

You add a 'checkbox' expression that troggles the opacity of that adjustment layer.

If you turn it on the 'mogrt' will be HD, if you turn it off it will be 4k.

 

If you drag the mogrt in premiere. it will always be 4k in size, but that doest matter if you drop it in an HD sequence.

Just turn on the switch and your animation will be HD.

Roland Kahlenberg
Legend
October 27, 2025

Correct! For broadcast and Social Media Platforms and specificity for playback systems, it's not uncommon to output the same content at different framerates and pixel count including aspect ratios. 

The ideal delivery mode IMO is a single MoGRT with a drop menu to select from the different options.

On performance, if each output format is set up independently and nested into a single AE Timeline where a drop menu selection 'switches' on/off affected nested comps, the difference should not be humanly detectable under normal circumstances. Now, if you were a life-long lab-bred mice at a Pfizer lab, with protruding muscles and hanging pupils and have the ability to walk, and run, on your hind legs, you MAY take notice of any, if any, performance deficiency.


HTH


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Mylenium
Legend
March 17, 2024

Due to the way they are loaded in Premiere based on the saved file it is preferable to have them separate. Especially if different framerates are involved and/ or there are linked parameters for Essential Graphics things could get confusing not just for the user but also the program like messing up expressions when the controls have the same name.

 

Mylenium

tony_1968Author
Known Participant
March 17, 2024

I was referring to After Effects. Do I do different project files per or can I do it all in one?

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Theresa Rostek
Community Manager
Community Manager
March 21, 2024

@tony_1968 You can create them all in one project as different comps and set up the Essential Graphics panel for each comp, then export them one-by-one. You can set this up as a single mogrt, but it might not play back well in Premiere Pro.

 

To ensure your mogrts can have the most performant playback, check out the Optimzation Reference.