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Element 3D Multiple text + performance issues

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February 17, 2017
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Hi there guys! I recently started working with Adobe After Effects and I love the program...but, like everything else I'm experiencing some problems.

The first problem was with using Element 3D V2 fonts. I am making an intro for a project and I need multiple texts with different fonts and effects and a few 3D objects. The problem is: when I create two different 3D fonts using Element and put them on separate layers and I try to move the camera around them they dont move like they're next to each other or behind, they move like they are in two separate 3D spaces but the camera can rorate between the two. First they are behind each other and when I rotate again they switch and are next to each other or overlapping. This doesnt happen if they are put in the SAME E3D layer...but as I said before...I need them on seperate layers.

The other problem is my performance. When I started using the software 3 days ago...everything worked fine. But now...just for SIMPLE rotating i need to wait 5-10 seconds instead of just doing it REAL TIME like 3 days ago. I cleared the cache folder, I even changed it to another fast HDD on my PC where there is enough free space...but nothing helped. I have i7 4790k @ 4.00GHz and GTX 980 SLI, 16 GB of ram and plenty of disk space...also good cooling. So...the problem can't be from my PC...it's either Windows or the software itself. It couldn't be a virus too...cuz I doubt I got a critical performance virus 1 day ago.

Those are my problems so far...I will try to reinstall Windows if nothing helpes...but it just seems stupid for it to be cuz of that cuz everything worked fine 3 days ago. It may not work AS IT SHOULD (cuz I notice that people with a lot worse PC than mine get a LOT higher FPS so...my windows really is in a bad shape), but I highly doubt it got THAAT bad just in 3 days out of nowhere...but im not excluding this possibility. I may have downloaded some nasty virus while downloading free plugins and templates...it could be that.

The most important thing tho is fixing those 3D layers cuz I need to finish the intro in next few days cuz I'm paid to do it.
I will upload a video with the problem so you can see for yourself:

Desktop 02 17 2017 21 24 12 10 - YouTube

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Rick Gerard

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That is a great tip Mylenium. I did not know that.

Mylenium

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The problem is: when I create two different 3D fonts using Element and put them on separate layers and I try to move the camera around them they dont move like they're next to each other or behind, they move like they are in two separate 3D spaces but the camera can rorate between the two.

Enable the unified renderer in the render settings.

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Rick Gerard

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First DO NOT use Ray-traced rendering unless there is no other option. It never worked well and is no longer being developed. If you are using Element 3D you should be using the Classic Rendering engine.

Second, you cannot reposition the layers that have element 3D applied. You must adjust the position of the objects in element 3D in the 3D space inside the effect. You will also need to use set matte or track mattes to get the proper interaction when one layer passes in front of another. I haven't been inside Element 3D for a while so I don't know if you can pull a hold out matte from another layer with Element 3D applied.

Also, when doing screen casts or screenshots of projects you are having problems with please select the layers that are giving you problems and press the U key twice so we can see the modified properties of the layers. That's the only way for us to quickly see what may be going wrong with your project.

I hope this helps. You should study up on Element 3D using the Video Co-pilot website. They have some excellent tutorials on their product. Most of the YouTube tutorials on AE are done by folks that really don't know what they are doing and many of them give you bad information and incredibly inefficient workflows. You must vet your trainers.

I hope this helps.

BenJiWhoeverAuthor

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Okay thanks a lot! I kinda fixed the performance issue with the Classic 3D. It's not as smooth as other people's videos, BUT at least it works kinda like 3 days ago. I don't know when and how I changed it to Ray Traced, but...it's good that it's back to normal now. About the Element 3D I'm posting another video with my question, thanks for the help again!

Desktop 02 17 2017 22 22 55 11 - YouTube

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Rick Gerard

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Once again, you have to make sure that you do not re-position the 3D layers in element 3D. You must position your object using the element 3D controls. You also need to create a matte so that the layer that is in back when the camera moves is masked by the layer in front. This may require copies of your element 3D layer used as a track matte.

I'm still not clear on why you need to have 2 element 3D layers in your comp. I have put dozens of elements in a single 3D layer with different textures and different amounts of reflectivity, opacity and every other property you can adjust. Life is much easier if you work that way, especially when the Element 3D layers are just 2D layers with a 3D effect applied that lets the layers interact with AE's camera.

You should be looking at the training available for the plug-in or asking on the Video Copilot forums. There are not that many users that use this 3rd party effect all the time so getting a quick answer on the Adobe Forums is a bit of a gamble.

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