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Show Deprecated Formats in Output Module Settings don't appear in my output option!

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June 19, 2014
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Hello I'm new at using Adobe After Effects CC 2014 and all the help guilds I look up for After Effects say to change your video output to something like h.264 (MP4) out fit I need to click on the check box called 'Show Deprecated Formats in Output Module Settings', BUT will doesn't appear on my options area. Only three options are in that section, but nothing named that. Can someone please help me with this problem?!

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Correct answer Todd_Kopriva

See this for an explanation for this change and for the recommend workflow:

using Adobe Media Encoder to create H.264, MPEG-2, and WMV videos from After Effects

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Takasaurus

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So… Adobe has spent these past months working diligently and has graced us with a darker black background and highlights that are a lovely blue. Thanks for your hard work. Major upgrade and still no H.264 built in.

Are you guys just going to ignore this issue and hope it goes away? I am still losing time and money every time I need to send a client a test. Either I have to jump through hoops to get a proper output from Encoder or send an enormous file via HIGHTAIL or some other program.

I want to deduct my lost time and revenue from my monthly fee. Who do I talk to?

You guys need to get on the ball and give your users what they "need".

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gknoronha

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I agree to everyone... bring back h.264 modules!!! It's ridiculous that's AE CC 2014 it's worst than CC version.

I also have a problem that Media Encoder doesn't open in my mac!!!! How should I work??

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Christopher Power

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I used H264 Output from AE every day. Using AME to do the task is buggy and fails frequently. Exporting something uncompressed, then compressing it in AME is a tedious and slow process. I'd prefer to just render straight out of AE with H264 again. This workflow served me well for many years. Please bring it back!

AndYouFilms

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Just adding another voice to the chorus. In a major hurry. AME not syncing with AE at the moment for some dumb reason. Don't have time to research it with trial and error -- will figure THAT out later. Right now, I JUST want to export my file from AE in the format I need it... and I can't. And I'm screwed.

Your product is EXCELLENT, but this is a MAJOR inconvenience/set-back to your users. Please at least include the option the render these 'deprecated' formats. Reading theses pages of debate about workflow and development is all well and good, but at the end of the day, as a working professional, none of that does anything for me. Now I'll be clicking around for hours trying to solve a problem when I just need to hand over a file to a client.

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kolrap

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This decision is stupid. Thats what this subscription model has brought us, they don't even have to try to make a better product and convince us to buy a new version, they got us all hooked on the crackpipe and can do whatever they want. Lots of people wouldn't have bought this version in pre-subscription times, and they know that, so they would have left this feature in there for sure. Even if it is "quite a lot of work" (< yeah right!)

I dont like where this is going at all! Shame on you.

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Rick Gerard

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I have to disagree with most of the negative comments on this thread. For me, my tools are better, more up to date, problems with updates that do arise and pesky bugs are being fixed faster, and, overall, considering the entirety of the suite, I'm getting more, much more, for a lower annual investment that I did with the perpetual licenses. It takes me less than an hour a month to pay for all of my software updates from Adobe and I never have to worry about it. I just need to check the NOTES before I do an upgrade.

I'm not fond of the new interface colors, but that will be improved, and the other improvements - Mask tracking and applying masks to effects, way more than make up for any inconveniences. Lots of folks are complaining about deprecated formats in the render cue, but I've not used the render cue in my production pipeline for more than about 1% of my work since the Adobe Media Encoder was introduced. I work on projects that used to be flash based, but since most of my clients are now much more concerned with Mobile Compatibility than interactive Flash projects I've not had a single need for alpha channels on FLV files and don't see any of my designs headed that way in the immediate future. Some of my subcontractors are still using Flash to author a bunch of stuff but it's none if it is the traditional non mobile compatible SWF format. Everybody that I know that is on the leading edge of design is using a combination of HTML5 and Javascript (now doable in Flash Professional).

I'm not saying that Adobe has not made some mistakes. I'm not saying that the software is perfect, but I'm saying that for me, with my workflow, with my business model, with my demand for maximum productivity, the Adobe CC Suite has been overall a big improvement and I think Adobe is moving in the right direction. When I first started producing on computers I hated change because it was so hard to get things working and to learn the software that any change slowed me down. After more than 20 years doing this and more than 40 years as a professional film maker, I now cannot hardly wait for the next new thing because I have learned to keep the things that work in the tool box until they are no longer needed.

One other thing, when I first started cutting video my camera and my editing station cost 3 times what my house did and it took 12 billable days a month just to make the payments. I'm so thankful we don't have to go there anymore. I'm servicing my monthly business operating expenses now on about 2 billable days per month... It's a lot better than it ever was.

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Christopher Power

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I agree with you in many ways. The workflow has improved significantly since the CC introduction. We have a lot to be thankful for and the cost is bang on for my company. You did mention maximum productivity in your post and for that, I do agree with those in this thread asking for h264 in AE. It is a quick and easy way to send a client a sample - I used it often and miss it. The new workflow either includes a much longer process going through AME, or exporting a Cineform and converting in AME anyway. I, like others in this thread, would like to see H264 back in deprecated formats in AE - OR an improvement on the project load and workflow time between AE and AME. Thanks Adobe! Keep it up.

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Takasaurus

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I must reiterate. The file size difference in AME vs Deprecated H.264 is enormous when trying to match the quality. Any thing close to the old H.264 Deprecated format is massively larger. Plus there is still the color workspace issue.

I am thinking of starting up an online petition to bring back the old format. See if we can wake up Adobe to this tragic error in judgement.

Coca Cola fessed up to their lack of foresight when they phased out Classic Coke. Please Adobe, there is no shame in rectifying this error… and you will have the appreciation of a multitude of loyal customers.

cerberus435

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If they want to make AME the one-stop shop for all our encoding needs, then might as well add OGV, webM, and other open codecs as well. I'm keeping AE CC around because AME has always been too slow and error-prone, and the new one is only marginally better.

What I ended up doing was keeping CC around and using it as a render mule. Despite bumping up its resources, AME14 just wasn't encoding a couple of quick turn-around sequences fast enough and it was not rendering certain effects. I ended up downsaving my 2014 sequences just to open and render them through CC.

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fnordware

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BTW, I have OGV (Theora) and WebM plug-ins available for Media Encoder.

louiesolomon

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Would just like to add that the removal of h264 export means that I will not be able to use After Effects CC 2014 in my workflow.

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Rick Gerard

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I'm rendering h.264 every day and I use CC 2014, I just render with the AME because, first, I can save my AE project, send it to the AME, then keep working on the next project or scene while AME is churning out the render (read that as no lost productivity waiting for a render), and second, if the project will benefit from features not supported by AME such as MP rendering (only about 5% of my work currently) or the project must be delivered in multiple formats I render a DI (digital intermediate) for archival purposes and use AME to render the deliverables while I work on something else, or third, if the project is using Dynamic link or is longer than a couple of shots I edit the final in Premiere Pro instead of trying to build a movie in AE, which is about the worst NLE anyone ever used, and PPro uses AME to render all of it's output. Adobe didn't cripple h.264 rendering, they actually made it better (compare results using CC by overlaying renders at the same compression settings exactly and using the difference mode). All you have to do is learn to streamline your workflow to make your production more efficient. I don't know about you but my clients stopped paying my full rate for rendering a very long time ago. Most of my clients pay by the job and not hourly anyway. I'd rather be making $$ for every hour I spend not with my family than sit on my butt drinking coffee while waiting for a render. Just my 2¢. . .

louiesolomon

Participating Frequently

Rick,

Do you mind sharing your render settings for both After Effects render queue and Adobe Media Encoder render queue? In my experience, AME takes a significantly longer time to render h264 than the built in rendering, and as @Takasaurus pointed out, render quality may not be on par either.

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TLWestgate

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I'll add my voice to the chorus. Please, Adobe, put MP4 export capability back into AE.

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JDKosmides

Participant

For one of our many media production workflows, we typically export to FLV from AE and PR, then embed the FLV into a flash timeline and export as SWF when making video for some hardware. The SWF runs on a proprietary piece of hardware and codecs for WinXP Embedded (outdoor payment kiosk, about 1200 in the field) and our entire production workflow is now broken. We've used this process for years now.

Now, my team and I are forced to log issue requirements to OUR R&D team to move away from FLV/SWF and towards a different file format because YOU arbitrarily decided that it was time to retire this format. You're taking time away from our company developing features for our customers, and instead we've got to code around your decisions. Will you pay for our R&D? To whom at Adobe should I send the invoice? Or, would you rather pay for upgrading our customers to all Win7 embedded, and all the hardware costs involved in that? Who should I talk to at Adobe about this? You're costing us time and money.

You're forcing us to use old versions of AE to produce media for FLV, instead of simply including the older codecs with the release. There isnt any R&D cost in maintaining old codecs, that line above is total BS. You could have kept them exactly the same when you compiled the new EXE's, instead you chose to remove them because you wanted to push the market in one way or another. The market should decide how it wants to work, it shouldnt be arbitrarily decided by some suit at Adobe, or some meeting of suits.

What harm could LEAVING THE CODECS IN do to your product? I'll tell you - None. There is simply no cost at leaving in your proprietary codec in the software. It's yours, you dont have to pay licensing or royalties. What possible justification could you have?

I've said this before and i'll say it again, it's too bad there isnt much competition today for this software market. If there was a comparable suite of products, i'd make the switch. I'm quite tired of heavy handed Adobe making sweeping changes and then forcing us to use outdated versions to continue workflows, instead of making it easier for makers of media to do their jobs. Now you're forcing us to take up more HD space keeping all these old legacy applications installed. Bad business, Adobe. Bad business.

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jtopenshaw

Inspiring

When our workflow becomes longer with a new version of AE, this is the same as making AE slower in our eyes. The number one request is to make AE faster, so everyone that used deprecated settings is not a happy camper.

Adobe has a good idea of how many people actually use that work flow, hence their decision of supply and demand.

I used deprecated settings every week for a specific job I do, so you know what camp I'm in. The squeaky wheel gets the oil is true. This action can only be overturned by more people letting Adobe know our needs. They are betting that it does not matter to enough people, which I'm afraid they may be right. Who wants to spend the time for this cause? I can re-render a whole lot of files in AME while this battle goes on.

So for AE CC 2015 my request is for a faster version of AE for all situations!! This oil can is dry.....

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