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John Ratard
Inspiring
February 1, 2018
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Upscale 8mm digital converted film to 1920x1080 HD

  • February 1, 2018
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I would like to include 8mm film @ 30fps digital conversion 720x480 type 2 AVI (dvsd) from 1950-1960 into a recent 1920x1810 60p AVCHD master Premier Pro project. I was hoping to use After Effects to upscale the 720x480 to 1920x1810 if possible.

I have reviewed forum instructions for a 720x480 60i DV (non square pixels) upscale to 960x720 60p (square pixels) as follows:

  1. Import the DV master into After Effects CC
  2. Right click the file in the project bin, go to Interpret footage, then Main
  3. Set Conform frame rate to 59.94, hit okay
  4. Drag this movie to the new composition button
  5. Select the composition in the project bin, hit Command+K to open the comp properties
  6. Set the frame size to 960x720
  7. Set the duration to double the original
  8. Set pixel aspect ratio to square, hit okay
  9. Select the video layer in the new comp, then go to the Layer menu, select Time, then Time Stretch and enter 200, then hit okay, the number should match the frame duration you just got from doubling the original
  10. Now, add the Detail preserving upscale effect
  11. Click fit width
  12. Export

As I am new to upscaling with this more ambitious project with lots to learn, how should  I proceed?

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    Correct answer thinkshock

    I'm going to assume that your target is actually 1920x1080 and that 1920x1810 is just an error because I'm not aware of that resolution.

    The moment you create a 1920x1080 composition it will automatically be a square pixel format and your source footage will convert to square pixel once you place it in the composition.

    You don't need to do the intermediary step of creating a 960x720 composition. You can use "Detail Preserving Upscale" inside of the 1920x1080 composition and it will get you there in one step. I believe it's a 225% scale, but the effect will allow you to automatically scale to the height of the composition.

    The end result should be a 1440x1080 image inside of the 1920x1080 composition with black bars on the side.

    If you choose to the fill the whole frame you will either have to stretch the image horizontally making everyone look a little fat or scale the image up even further so that the top and bottom of the original image are cropped out but you will maintain the original aspect ratio. I personally don't like scaled up or stretched images, but it appears to be a common choice these days.

    You do not have to change the frame rate of the footage unless your really, really want to. 60i and 60p are the same frame rate and realistically your footage originated as a 24fps source that has probably been through a telecine process to 29.97 fps.

    All the frame rate variations can be very confusing and complicated but as long as your source footage doesn't have sync sound it's going to be hard to mess things up. However, if there's actually sound attached to the footage, changing frame rates has the potential to make things go south pretty fast. Without getting too technical an old rule of thumb is to keep decimal frame rates together (23.976, 29.97, 59.94) and whole number frame rates together (24p, 30i, 60i, 60p, etc.) It's difficult to explain working with different frame rates, which tends to require a lot of working experience (and some horrible out of sync deliveries) to really appreciate the issue.

    There is possibly one other thing you will have to do. If your footage looks jagged or seems to have kind of a horizontal blinds effect running through everything, particularly fast movement, it's because you're originating from an "interlaced" source. In that case choose the source clip inside of after effects, go to interpret footage:main and select "separate fields". Most likely it will be Lower Field First, but if that doesn't look better then choose Upper Field First.

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    thinkshockCorrect answer
    Participant
    February 1, 2018

    I'm going to assume that your target is actually 1920x1080 and that 1920x1810 is just an error because I'm not aware of that resolution.

    The moment you create a 1920x1080 composition it will automatically be a square pixel format and your source footage will convert to square pixel once you place it in the composition.

    You don't need to do the intermediary step of creating a 960x720 composition. You can use "Detail Preserving Upscale" inside of the 1920x1080 composition and it will get you there in one step. I believe it's a 225% scale, but the effect will allow you to automatically scale to the height of the composition.

    The end result should be a 1440x1080 image inside of the 1920x1080 composition with black bars on the side.

    If you choose to the fill the whole frame you will either have to stretch the image horizontally making everyone look a little fat or scale the image up even further so that the top and bottom of the original image are cropped out but you will maintain the original aspect ratio. I personally don't like scaled up or stretched images, but it appears to be a common choice these days.

    You do not have to change the frame rate of the footage unless your really, really want to. 60i and 60p are the same frame rate and realistically your footage originated as a 24fps source that has probably been through a telecine process to 29.97 fps.

    All the frame rate variations can be very confusing and complicated but as long as your source footage doesn't have sync sound it's going to be hard to mess things up. However, if there's actually sound attached to the footage, changing frame rates has the potential to make things go south pretty fast. Without getting too technical an old rule of thumb is to keep decimal frame rates together (23.976, 29.97, 59.94) and whole number frame rates together (24p, 30i, 60i, 60p, etc.) It's difficult to explain working with different frame rates, which tends to require a lot of working experience (and some horrible out of sync deliveries) to really appreciate the issue.

    There is possibly one other thing you will have to do. If your footage looks jagged or seems to have kind of a horizontal blinds effect running through everything, particularly fast movement, it's because you're originating from an "interlaced" source. In that case choose the source clip inside of after effects, go to interpret footage:main and select "separate fields". Most likely it will be Lower Field First, but if that doesn't look better then choose Upper Field First.

    John Ratard
    Inspiring
    February 1, 2018

    Thank you for your information.  This provides me with the experience I do not have to save time in trial and error.

    The old 8mm video film cameras captured at 8fps, then Super8 at 16fps.  The Cinecap software in 3, my reply to David, must have performed the avi conversions.

    Dave_LaRonde
    Inspiring
    February 1, 2018

    What's the original frame rate of the film before it was converted to digital?

    Is it 4x3 video?

    Why screw with the 960x720 comp when your target resolution's 1920x1080?

    No matter what you do, even pushing Detail Preserving Upscale as far as it can go, this stuff's going to look really bad.

    And I don't understand why they're having you fart around with the frame rate.

    John Ratard
    Inspiring
    February 1, 2018

    The film frame rate was 8fps using a spring wound Canon video camera with revolving turret.

    I used GSpot to determine the avi 720x480 4x3, frame rate video formatA telecine like capture arrangement included Cinecap software with a WorkPrinter-XP, a converted projector at 6 fps, a mirror and lens, and a converted mouse. The software captures the 6 fps images and converts to the avi file. A DVD of the film shows a reasonable frame rate.

    The converted film is already of poor quality due to storage in high humidity of Vanuatu. By upscaling I was hoping to minimize the degradation.  Perhaps I do not need to be concerned with frame rate since the export will be imported into the AVCHD Hires setup in Premier Pro and converted there.