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October 10, 2023
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Not moving from Br 12 to 14 – yet.

  • October 10, 2023
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I will attempt to make this as brief as possible, but it may run too long for some folks. 

In short, the Bridge 13/14 era has been a large waste of time and resources from the perspective of many Adobe customers who have been using Br as an integral part of our commercial business practices ever since it was first introduced back in 2005. I was invited to join the Bridge Prerelease Team by Chris Cox shortly thereafter.  I have run my professional workflows through many dozens of prerelease (PR) builds since that time.

 

My studio currently employs Br 12.0.4.286 Release as the only version of Bridge organizing our productivity. I refused to migrate to Br 13 and continue to reject the idea of migrating to Br 14.  Let me be clear.  Nothing about what I say here should be understood as advocating that those who have already drunk the Br 13 or 14 Kool-Aid should revert to Br 12.  I will, however, encourage those who have wisely remained with Br 12 in light of the Br 13/14 train wreck, to remain patiently persistent and inform Adobe about your dissatisfaction.

 

Nearly 18 months ago, (May 2022) Adobe introduced the first internal PR build of Br 13.  Never in all my years of PR testing have I witnessed a more poorly thought out and destructive build to our studio’s long-established professional workflows.  From the destruction wrought by trashed and demoted custom workspaces to the elimination of the multiple window feature, plus a huge laundry list of performance bugs, I found the first PR build as something that would take a very large investment in time just to re-configure our workspaces on a single machine so that it could be tested in our studio workflows. With the additional removal of the multiple window feature, I could not justify that sort of investment in time to do anything more than rudimentary poking around. I told the prerelease Adobe engineers exactly that. 

 

I also informed them that the potential destruction of professional workflows that these changes would demand of Adobe customers would be unacceptable to many whose productivity relies on this application being at the center of those workflows.  I was informed that my concerns were “a top priority”.

 

Six months and several rounds of PR builds later produced no significant changes to the destruction despite repeated warnings that little had changed. It was announced to the PR team that Adobe planned to release the PR version to the newly established public Bridge beta crowd.  Adobe was told that this was a mistake and that the build wasn’t nearly ready, but they plowed ahead anyway. More howls from the new Bridge beta crowd, and a few months later, Br 13 was released to Adobe customers in a state that just a few years ago wouldn’t have made it out of prerelease.

 

Fast forward to July of this year.  The first internal PR version of Br 14 was dropped.  While the introduction of the shortcut feature was greatly welcomed, as was the re-introduction of the multi-window feature, the rest of the software remained just as damaged and unresponsive as it had ever been.  Again, Adobe was informed that this was not ready for prime time.  The workspace migration destruction remains the exact same mess that it was in the first Br 13 PR drop 18 months ago, leaving workspaces that have migrated flawlessly for more than 15 years mangled, useless and pushed to the back of the workspace line.  This is to say nothing of the hideous lag in performance that makes scrolling through thumbnails, moving files, and other forms of filtration and navigation through an asset base as unwelcome as root-canal, and an unnecessarily large drain on studio time and manpower.

 

I for one do not consider this as either professional or acceptable. Our studio remains in the Br 12 universe.  Unfortunately, now it no longer completely interfaces with the current release versions of other Adobe point products. There exist some simple workarounds for this, but these will degrade over time.  Perhaps that is what Adobe is counting on to shut people like me up.

 

I am not afraid of change if it is productive.  I try not to sweat the small stuff. The addition of the keyboard shortcut feature is a shining example. Otherwise, this 18-month process has been heavily destructive to those who are experts in the use of Bridge in professional studio environments, and who have said so privately to Adobe many times during the numerous PR/public beta drop cycles.

 

I understand the inclination for Adobe to listen to the needs of hobbyists and semi-pros and try to respond to those needs with design mods and additions.  However, I am firmly against the idea that those needs, and the resulting changes must severely damage or completely destroy the years-old professional workflows of experienced power-users as a consequence.

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Participating Frequently
August 30, 2024

Spot on Critique as of Aug 2024!   Unfortunately, Adobe simply refuses to listen to users who work with BR daily and who really care about HOW BR COULD WORK.  

 

Am not entirely clear on why Adobe BR devekoper teams will NOT LISTEN to those who work the app.  WHY are the developer teams are so intent on trying to 'improve' BR by adding space wasting Blocky UGLY hard to read Fonts, adding boxes around metadata entry locations (boxes which just make it more difficult to read/see metadata info) and add all the other 'features' which only gum up the works. 

 

A few reasons come to mind to explain Adobe's attitude/behavior is that the the developer teams are all recent graduates of tech schools & feel they must compete with other recent grads working in other Photo Apps to capture the market OR that they do not use large monitors and want to create a ONE App fits ALL > Large monitors to squinty little cellphone screens.    OR... Hmmmmm.... Adobe issues a BAD app just so it can hire folks to listen to us, get into our computers, fiddle around and set things further askew. 

 

WE PAY to have this abuse done to us!  Adobe has figured out a Ponzi Scheme for masochists.

 

[Oh, well. Let them have their fun while it lasts.  "AI" will probably do away with the teams once it figures out how to connect to all  'other' AI and take control]   [lets hope that 'it' sets up multitudes of BR formats WHICH WORK the right way the first time - so we can go off and take fotos and have fun]

 

Here's a tip about BR 12.0.4.286  for those who have had the curser get laggy and then the entire app seize up and ultimately cause the entire PC to get wonky: 

           Occasionally,  when Win11 updates - BR starts to stall & seize up.  After HOURS and HOURS of tech support for my     

           new PC which has 8 TB storage & high end Graphics Card etc... after it began doing the same thing with ALL apps  I

           finally figured out that if I go into BR Preferences, Cache Management and PURGE 100% Previews in Cache >> ONCE

           A WEEK - and then close BR > the stalling, laggy mouse, seizing up stops. 

Inspiring
December 24, 2023

A more complete review of the latest Beta build (14.0.2.150) will follow later next week.  As of today, preliminary testing this on a brand new Windows 11 laptop with pleanty of available horsepower is demonstrating nearly ALL the same performance defects that have been present since the very first Br prerelease (not beta) 13 drop that occurred almost 20 months ago.  These are the same deal-breakers that have caused many users to remain with Br 12, and identical to how they were performing when I had the in-person conference with the Br development team over a month ago.  Nothing has changed with one glaring exception.

 

Staggeringly, the CC app is missing a link to download the release build of the only Ps 2022 version (23.5.5) that currently works with Br 12.  As such, the Tools>Photoshop>(pick an operation) path only prompts the customer to install the latest version of Ps which once done, continues to yield the same response.  One can D/L the 2021 version of Ps, and every version AFTER the 2022 version, but not the 2022 version of Ps that does work in tandem with Br 12.

 

As long as the 2022 version remains on my older machines, I can still use the automated processes.  Now on the new laptop I can no longer access them.

 

Adobe has orphaned those who have continued  to remain with the superior version of Br 12. This begs the question as to whether or not Adobe is intentionally attempting in a passive aggressive manner to force those of us who have remained loyal to the vastly superior performance of Br 12 to move to the toy store equivalent, bug infested, performance challenged substitute that cannot possibly keep up with the demands of a high volume professional studio workflow.

 

Why?

Legend
December 20, 2023

I was also in the PR program and left because I felt it was a waste of my time. I use Bridge in production - can't use Lightroom because I have numerous scripts to automate my workflow, management won't spring for Photomechanic, haven't found anything else with the feature set I need. But I still had to learn scripting to fill in numerous gaping holes in what Bridge can do.

I'm still on Bridge 12, Bridge 13/14 are way too buggy, terrible performance, just... ugh. So much potential just squandered.

I wish I could get the Bridge team at my desk for one day so I could show them how much of a hot mess their software is and how many things could be fixed to make it better.

And FWIW, I use Lightroom Classic at home and the UI is still far behind the late, lamented Aperture (which I would still be using if Apple hadn't killed it.)

Known Participant
October 18, 2023

I'm in the same boat and plan on staying with 2022 for now. Br 14 won't show file names in the Content panel anymore, just the first letter of the name, so its completely unusable just from that seemingly intentional and baffling change.

gary_sc
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 18, 2023

Hi, @Larry29731486lwom, can you please share a screenshot of your Content Panel?

 

Depending on the size of my thumbnails, I can get at least 5 continuous letters before a space before they are so small that no characters are available. Then, as I expand the size of my thumbnails, I can get more and more before I finally see the full name.

Known Participant
October 18, 2023

Please see my post from last month for a more detailed explanation including screenshots; the old bridge would truncate file names from the middle of the name leaving the begining and end of the file name visible, which is usually where the most differentiating text is. Not a tested example but something like "Volume1 Image CMYK.jpg" just becomes "V.....jpg" in 2024 instead of "Volume1....CMYK.jpg". In 2022 at the very smallest thumbnail size that still includes the file name it still manages to include 4-5 letters.

peterb86513089
Inspiring
October 11, 2023

I feel your pain. I am basically an optomist and so when a new relelase of Br comes out I try it. But honestly, I can't use 2024 for any productive purpose. For me 2022 is still the most stable. Maybe 50% of the time when I launch 2024 it goes "Not responding" and after a while I have to kill it. Bummer.

 

Peter

Inspiring
October 11, 2023

May I ask what platform you are on?  Our studio works on Windows machines.

peterb86513089
Inspiring
October 11, 2023
 
Processor:   13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700K 3.40 GHz
Installed RAM:   64.0 GB (63.7 GB usable)
System type:   64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Edition:   Windows 11 Home
Version:   22H2
Installed on:   2023-02-12
OS build:   22621.2428
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack:   1000.22674.1000.0
 
 
Inspiring
October 10, 2023

Very well put, sir. I totally agree. While the slow performance of scrolling and moving stuff around seems to have been solved (they told me after working on my machine and to be released) I higly doubt that will be the end of it.

 

This debacle with Bridge 13-14 is unprecedented to me in the industry. I have never seen an app be so horribly beaten up and released in such a bad state that intensive care would be more appropriate. To me it is so serious that I suspect that something very abd has happened at Adobe. I wouldnt be surprised if the entire team has beenreplaced by some summer interns or what not. Or fantastic coders that had to take over by a working code, hold together with scotch tape nad impossible to build on.

 

Is the state of Bridge known higher up in the chain? Was it even rushed out by order of some new boss eager to "show his qualities". There must be a reason behind all this?

 

So. If any one at Adobe reads this, and wants to talk to me, anonymously, please contact me and tell me about what happened with the state of the Bridge Team.

 

This IS serious and affecting a lot of studios that yet has to convert to other apps.

Inspiring
October 11, 2023

Maz said: "While the slow performance of scrolling and moving stuff around seems to have been solved (they told me after working on my machine and to be released) I higly doubt that will be the end of it."

 

Can you give an idea of how it was solved?  I see lag across the entire platform increasing with file size.  I see no such lag in Br 12 once the cache is built.

Inspiring
October 11, 2023

No idea. They didnt tell me. Just that they've been able tp reproduce it and was going to implement it in the enxt version.