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athletic_coder0D4B
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December 28, 2020
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Camera Raw edits not showing in jpegs or nefs outside Photoshop or Camera Raw

  • December 28, 2020
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I have only recently started using Camera raw to edit my Jpeg Fine files shot on my Nikon D850.

 

After editing a jpeg today I came to select the file in Finder to upload online. When I selected the image, none of the edits were visable. Only when opened in Bridge, Camera Raw or Photoshop can I see the edits.

I presumed this may have something to do with needing to Export or save changes, made in Camera Raw, via Photoshop, but in doing this am I losing the quality of the the Jpeg I shot? File size decreased from 21MB to 14MB (approximations)

 

I decided to try editing the way I usually do and opened the Nef file of the same image. After editing this file the changes were not visable in Finder as with the Jpeg.

Edits of Nef files are usually visable in Finder. I browsed some images from the last few months and their Camera raw edits are visable in Finder.

 

I did notice that there were no XMP files for my last Nef uploads (using Bridge) from my XQD card.

Is this something to do with Bridge updates?

Images below:

1. preview of edited jpeg in Bridge

2. preview of edited jpeg in Finder (edits not visable, note file size)

3. preview of edited and 'Save As' version. Lower quality due to file size decrease?

4. View of Finder windows. XMP files for all Nefs on the left (Uploaded a couple of months ago) Only edited images have XMP files on right

 

Any help to shed light much appreciated.

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Lumigraphics
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September 10, 2021

Bottom line- if you are going to edit in ACR, shoot RAW images. If you shoot JPEG, edit in Photoshop and if needed use the Camera RAW filter.

    gary_sc
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    gary_scCommunity Expert
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    December 28, 2020

    OK, I just re-read your questions and I do have answers for you:

    1) XMP (sidecar files) are not created IN the camera. They are generated at the time you do ANY editing in ACR. So take ANY raw image, open it in ACR, do something and an XMP file will be generated (If you sort by filename, it will be adjacent to the raw image).

    2) JPG is a container file any changes you make to a JPG in ACR will be contained within the file. To see any of those changes, you must have ACR. When you try to open a JPG image that has had ACR changes, it will open in ACR first. You can "see" the changes in Bridge becuase it knows how to read the ACR changes. (BTW, I like DNG format becuase it also is a container format and any XMP data is contained within the file. That way you cannot lose the results of any editing. There are other advantages but that's not for this writeup.

     

    Oh, the XMP file MUST BE in the same folder as the raw file to function.

     

    The significance of this is great: if you make changes to a JPG image and send it to someone who does not have ACR, they will see the image in it's original state. That means if you plan to share any JPG images that you've altered with ACR you do need to resave them as a new JPG so that other's can see the great things you done. Othewise they'll look at the JPG now knowing what you did or why you're sharing it! ;>)

     

    The issue of changes made not being visible in Finder is simply because the Finder doesn't know squat about how to read XMP data that is associated with a raw image. Bridge can. This doesn't make a difference between raw or DNG, both with have the same result. On my Mac any changes made to a JPG in ACR do not show up in the Finder. You seem to have better results here (but then again, I'm using Catalina, I do not know how Big Sur works with JPGs with ACR editing so things may be different there.

     

    I hope this helps 

      gary_sc
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      gary_scCommunity Expert
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      December 29, 2020

      Hi Hannah,

       

      Ha! We are chasing each other's messages.

       

      I'm not fully sure I'm seeing what you are referring to. When I look at the very first image in Bridge, I think I'm seeing the adjusted image and in the Finder I'm seeing a non-adjusted image (I'm referring to the white "smear" on the side as something you do not want and have removed in ACR. Or, did you add that smear?" Sorry, I do not know what change you did make.

       

      Perhaps you cannot see the changes in your raw images becuase it looks like you moved all of the XMP files into another folder. Drag them into the raw folder and what do you see then?

       

      And YES, this forum is a bit of a PIA. No arguments there.

       

      [Note, I'm going to be leaving in a short while for about an hour so I'll see your answer after I get back.]

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      athletic_coder0D4BAuthor
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      December 29, 2020

      Thank you so much for your help. Determined to figure this out and organise my workflow. Minefield!

       

      To confirm - I haven't moved any XMP files from folders containing Nefs (or jpegs - do jpegs have an adjacent XMP when edited in Camera Raw?)

      XMP files creating as you make edits to a Nef file makes sense, but, historically not since most recent Bridge update, I do have XMP files for Nefs I haven't edited; bit confusing 😕😕 I just presumed this was because the file carried information/metadata imported from my camera and had to put it somewhere. 

      Confirming contents of screenshots

      1. preview of edited jpeg in Bridge

      2. preview of edited jpeg in Finder (edits not visable, note file size)

      3. preview of edited, 'Save As' version. Lower quality due to file size decrease?

      4. View of Finder windows. XMP files for all Nefs on the left (Uploaded a couple of months ago) Only edited images have XMP files on right

      5. (added) I can see my Nikon jpeg settings applied to my Nefs in Finder preview (bottom), but not in Bridge?

       

      Is it a matter of software not talking to each other? i.e Adobe - Mac and vice versa.

       

      Do you have any advice when saving the edited jpeg (shot as Nikon *Fine) in Photoshop? Will the file lose quality? Tried saving at highest quality. Does file size decrease due to compression rather than loss of quality? (hence the screenshots showing dcreae in file size after saving in Photoshop)

       

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      athletic_coder0D4BAuthor
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      December 28, 2020

      Images reffered to in original post

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      athletic_coder0D4BAuthor
      Known Participant
      December 28, 2020

      I can see my Nikon jpeg settings applied to my Nefs in Finder preview (bottom), but not in Bridge?

      Is this another issue with updated Bridge?

      gary_sc
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      gary_scCommunity Expert
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      December 28, 2020

      Have you recently started using Catalina (or big Sur)?

       

      By the way, if you want more people to see your screenshots, please click the icon circled below to put them into your message as opposed to requiring people to download the images. Much easier for all.

       

       

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      athletic_coder0D4BAuthor
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      December 28, 2020

      Hi Gary

      I figured that out 🙂

      Although I have added the images again and text doesn't align. Newbie here so not knowledgeable on how to use the forum (technical wise)

       

      In response to your question; no.

       

      I must admit, I haven't upated from Mojave yet after hearing issues with OS updates affecting the likes of Photoshop. I did consider that this may be causing an issue in itself and OS update is required.

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