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New Nikon D3, D300, and D700 "Camera" v3 beta profiles

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January 20, 2011
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Hi everyone,

I have posted a zip file containing updated "Camera" color profiles (Camera Standard, Camera Neutral, etc.) for the Nikon D3, Nikon D300, and Nikon D700. The zip file contains a copy of the readme, but I'll post it here for convenience, too:

For lack of a better name, I am calling these "v3" beta profiles.

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BETA RELEASE NOTES

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Overview

These updated Camera v3 beta profiles for the Nikon D3, Nikon D300, and Nikon D700 are designed to reduce banding and highlight color artifacts. They also address the "too bright" tone curve issues with the previous "v2" version of the D3 and D700 profiles.

IMPORTANT NOTE: When using these v3 beta profiles, if you wish to match the default tonality of Nikon's Picture Controls (e.g., match View NX / Capture NX), you must set the Exposure slider in Camera Raw / Lightroom to -0.5.

Of course, feel free to adjust Exposure to make your image brighter or darker as you like. But in terms of matching Nikon's default tonality, you must set the Exposure slider to -0.5, or the default will be too bright.

For workflow convenience, you can use presets in Camera Raw / Lightroom to take care of both (e.g., simultaneously set the profile to "Camera Standard" and set Exposure to -0.5).

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Installation

If you are on Mac OS X, drag the "Camera v3 beta" folder to:

/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles

If you are on Windows XP, drag the "Camera v3 beta" folder to:

C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

If you are on Windows Vista or Windows 7, drag the "Camera v3 beta" folder to:

C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

Note that the above path on Windows Vista and Windows 7 may be hidden by default. Check your folder settings.

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Feedback

The profiles are currently in beta status. Please provide feedback via the online Adobe user-to-user forums here:

http://forums.adobe.com/community/cameraraw
http://forums.adobe.com/community/lightroom

Thank you!

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Cristiano_Palazzini

Participating Frequently

Hello,

are this Camera Profiles usable also on a D3X. Maybe not, I tried to install in the camera profiles folder under camera raw but they are not shown with files made by my D3x...

Thanks

Cristiano

MadManChan2000Author

Adobe Employee

Hi Cristiano, these particular profiles are not available for the D3X. They are for the D3, D300, and D700 only.

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Cristiano_Palazzini

Participating Frequently

Thank you!

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gwynngee

Participant

Are theses profiles relevant to ACR in CS3? Thanks for any replies. Tony.

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kitkat169

Participant

Could somebody be really kind and reupload the original v3 betas made by Eric as the link no longer works?

http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/tmp/Nikon_D3_D300_D700_Camera_v3_beta_profiles.zip

Thanks very much!

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Bob_Peters

Inspiring

Eric,

Please also post future updates like this on the Lightroom Forum.

Thanks

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Thomas Geist

Known Participant

It is unfortunately not very helpful in this case that LR's Exposure steps in Quick Develop are 1/3. Quick Develop is LR's only place for relative adjustments and -0.5 EV cannot be obtained this way.

This shows that LR would really need a better implementation for relative adjustments. They need to be accessible in the Develop Module and they need to be able to go into Presets!

For any already processed job it's almost impossible to implement the v3 profiles for now. And if processing is outsourced, it's also a problem. Processing service providers are not likely to add in v2 or v3 Beta profiles and, as stated above, it's pretty hard to apply the v3 profiles after the xmps come back from the service provider.

Better relative adjustments and full keyboard shortcut implementation - but that's another story ...

Thomas

Hudechrome

Known Participant

1/3EV (.333) is more accurate than 1/2 EV(.5). It possesses better resolution, leading to better accuracy. The most accurate, of course, would be continuous (stepless) changes, such as found on aperture settings for lenses for large formats. However, with those lenses, resetting to an accurate EV is difficult, because the shutters are discontinuous. The advent of EV started when camera manufacturers such as Hasselblad adopted the EV system, which required a discontinuous system to be effective. It was very annoying, perhaps the most annoying aspect of using Hasselblad, about which I grumbled quite a bit. Some people even resorted to having camera repairmen file off the gearing so that the iris became continuous again! (I didn't). Instead, I had to accept that while the exposure now possessed less accuracy, the repeatability was better. Now you could function mentally in either shutter priority or aperture priority

So, rather than have LR become less accurate in nailing exact exposure by changing the increment to 1/2, rather have the entire process be set to function in 1/3.

Of course, the sliders are continuous within the native limits imposed by the digital process.

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quantum 123

Participating Frequently

Are these gonna work correctly with D3s as they only state D3.

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Louispc

Participant

Are these twisted or untwisted profiles?

I find that the recovery slider on many of my files alters the colour so badly that I can't touch it. eg,

http://dcptool.sourceforge.net/Hue%20Twists.html

http://blog.thomaslesterphotography.com/?s=untwisted

Having discovered a fix for this I now find that once untwisted I tend to get more yellow in skin tones colours in the shadows but also a curve change which looks very much like a bit of fill light and recovery has been used. Orange shadowy areas. Odd. I can't seem to correct this problem but it does mean I can use the recovery slider.

It would be great to have the Nikon profiles remain the same but not alter colours when exposure or recovery are used.

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Louispc

Participant

Are these twisted or untwisted profiles?
I find that the recovery slider on many of my files alters the colour so badly that I can't touch it. eg,

I guess no one else finds this a problem?

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Anonymous

All these profiles are "twisted" in Sandy's teminology, because lookup table is 3D. Tried "untwisting" one of these profiles, that actualy converts 3D lookup table to 2D, so rendering is the same for all brigtness levels (the same HueShift, ValueScale and SaturationScale). It didn't perform well in highlights, because camera profiles are intentionally heavily "twisted" in that region to produce smooth output (as much as it is possible) in blown parts of the picture and avoid various kinds of banding

Hudechrome

Known Participant

Eric, since the D300 and the D90 share the same sensor, are these applicable to the D90 as well? If not but only slightly not, any caveats to using them

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Anonymous

I made a brief test with NX2 using my special raw file with a test chart inside and ---- result from D300 and D90 isn't exactly the same, but differences are small - up to about 2 degree in hue and up to about 2% in saturation (but mostly less), while tone curve / brightness seems to be the same. So D300 profile should would work quite well with D90 (after changing camera model name in the profile)

Hudechrome

Known Participant

Thanks, Vit. I'll give it a try.

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jljonathan

Known Participant

Sorry, I doubled up by mistake. Does anyone know of anything like this for LR that is available for Canon?

Thanks

Jonathan

amam123

Participating Frequently

Decompile those profiles by dcptool then write inside .xml file description of your canon model. Compile xml to .dcp. Now you get nikon color on canon.

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j8kerussell

Participant

Can you easily explain how to do this so that I can create camera profiles for my Canon G11?

Would this help with matching colors between my G11 and my Nikon D700 if, let's say, I'm shooting with both cameras at the same location?

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Anonymous

MadManChan2000,

I see that you've taken a lot of time and care to generate and improve these profiles. Thank you.

This makes me question if the same level of care can be expected of new profiles for the D7000. It's been 3 years since some of these models have been released.

Are these camera's particularly problematic? Is any similar activity going on for the D7k?

Again, thanks for this.

-Ed

MadManChan2000Author

Adobe Employee

Ed, the D7000's profiles should already have the same improvements that the latest v3 beta profiles for the D3, D300, and D700 have.

Yammer

Inspiring

I'm not sure if I missed the start of all this, but is there a reason behind all these betas? And is there likely ever to be a v.2 instead?

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