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May 21, 2017
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P: Graduated filter alignment issue

  • May 21, 2017
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Grad filter loses alignment when dragged across image when using 'hand' icon. The alignment issue appears to increase if the 'hand' icon is grabbed off-center in the image. The alignment error appears to be in a small arc with the centre off the side moving according to where the handle is grabbed. I.e.; if the handle is grabbed in the center(ish) the misalignment is small, increasing as the grabbed position moves towards an edge of the image. The issue is inconsistent but repeatable.

Correct answer Rikk Flohr_Photography
The engineering team has let us know that this behavior is expected whenever a there is an interaction between warps (including lens profiles, manual distortion, Horizontal/Vertical sliders in the Transform panel, etc.) and local corrections.  Lightroom will always attempt to make a best fit on those local corrections but cannot make a perfect application on warped images. 

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August 4, 2017
But we need those transformations all the time.
Rikk Flohr_Photography
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August 3, 2017
The engineering team has let us know that this behavior is expected whenever a there is an interaction between warps (including lens profiles, manual distortion, Horizontal/Vertical sliders in the Transform panel, etc.) and local corrections.  Lightroom will always attempt to make a best fit on those local corrections but cannot make a perfect application on warped images. 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
Participating Frequently
June 5, 2017
I have similar problems. It happens with iPhone images too. In general I find the grad filter to have become very jittery and harder to control than before, with some unexpected behaviour like suddenly compacting the grad filter to a very close gap, turning it vertically instead of horizontally, etc. So far I see this with all cameras and lenses, common fact is that I always have lens correction ON. So there must have been some change to the code, since it worked much more reliably in previous versions of LR.
Rikk Flohr_Photography
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May 31, 2017
Thanks Harvey,

I've tested and see the same thing here on your file - in Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw.  I have asked the engineering team to chime in on the behavior. Stand by. 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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May 31, 2017
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1yu40lbygvojuco/AAARNQJ1uwX7knmx4rsNYbtWa?dl=0

Rikk here's the dropbox link for the catalog with one image. The alignment issue will happen when lens correction is applied.

I checked images in my catalog for my Fuji EX1 and they are fine because they have no lens correction applied. 
Rikk Flohr_Photography
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May 30, 2017
Dropbox is fine. 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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May 30, 2017
Hi Rick, sorry for the slow response -it's work cycles. Answering the various questions; I'm using a Nikon D810 previously a D800, images from both are affected and I'm reasonably sure that older images taken with a Canon are also affected but I will check this out more thoroughly and confirm with you. Affected lenses include the Nikkor AFS 24-120, AFS 14 -24 and I can neither confirm or deny if others are affected, but I'll test that and advise.

Like Bruce, sometimes it's a very subtle shift but seems to increase over time.

Happy to post a file but It will have to be dropbox to cope with the size unless you have another option?

Regards,
Rikk Flohr_Photography
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May 30, 2017
Could I talk one of you into posting a file with the weird behavior for me to examine? 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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May 29, 2017
It affects my DX Nikon lenses (18-200mm & 35 f1.8) on Nikon D7000 and D500 the most.

As I was testing again to determine which camera bodies were affected I got some photos taken with the 70-200mm on D750 and D500 to show the wobble.  It is not as pronounced, sometimes unnoticeable until you move the hinting lines to the top or bottom of the photo and see they are no longer straight across.

Also seems photo content also plays some role in this? ... is the 'upright' function is messing around with grad filter after you use the shift key to level the filter? ( I have Upright set to OFF in Lightroom)
(i.e with the 70-200 lens saw no affect on photo of a flower closeup but it does affect photo of football player with seating/buildings in background ( or would it just be the focal length lens correction.)

In reviewing Harvey's video it looks like he is using a Nikon camera too LR shows it is a .NEF file with 70-200 not sure of the lens version/camera body



Steps to reproduce:
Enable lens correction
Add grad filter to photo while holding shift key.
Move the filter pin up/down on photo while also moving the PIN left or right.
   The hinting lines change angle depending on how far off center the PIN is moved.

Affects Nikon DX lens on Nikon DX bodies the most  for me.
Have not tried any other photos taken by other cameras/persons within my catalog yet.
Rikk Flohr_Photography
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May 29, 2017
Camera Manufacturer?
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org