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November 5, 2024
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This post applies to Adobe Camera Raw plug-in.

Adobe Camera Raw team is sharing an early look of our new Reflection Removal feature, which removes reflections caused by plate glass surfaces from photos.

Note:

~~The feature currently only works on raw photos.~~ Support for JPEGs & HEICs is added in the April 24 Update.

There is a known issue on some Windows machines where the feature may produce a corrupt image. We are working on a fix for the upcoming release.

Check out HelpX for more detailed usage information. For more technical information on the underlying technology, please refer to this Blog post.

Getting started with the Reflection Removal feature:

Make sure you have the “New AI Features and Settings Panel” Technology Preview enabled in the Camera Raw plug-in Preferences dialog (requires restarting the host application to activate).

Go to the Remove panel [B] , and in the “Distraction Removal” section, click on the “Reflections” checkbox.

Optionally adjust the slider after the ML model is done computing.

Use the rest of the Camera Raw tools just like you would otherwise.

When using the slider, the key values to note are:

0 – the input photo

100 – de-reflected (window reflections removed) photo

-100 – reflection photo (what the window was reflecting towards the camera)

Please try the feature and share feedback in this community forum. It would help to include details like how you access Camera Raw (via Adobe Bridge or Photoshop), your computer system details, and as much information about what you like or do not like about the resulting photo quality. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

When to use Reflection Removal

The feature is designed to deal with large-area reflections when shooting through windows. Many other types of reflections occur in nature and are captured in photographs, but this feature may not recognize and handle those. We plan to work on expanding the supported reflection types in the future.

Example use-cases for the feature include:

Looking through windows inside-out (e.g., from the car, airplane, room windows, etc.)

Looking through windows outside-in (e.g., shop windows)

Museums (e.g., paintings behind glass, glass case exhibits, etc.)

How best to use Reflection Removal

For best results, try the new feature following these suggestions:

Apply Reflection Removal before applying any other edits to the photo, except for Enhance features such as Denoise
- The changes made to the photo may be quite profound and render any changes you already made inappropriate.
- If you plan to use both Enhance (Denoise, Super Resolution, or Raw Details) and Reflection Removal on a photo, it is better to apply Enhance first.
Play with the feature slider and adjust the removal strength as appropriate.
If you applied Adobe Adaptive (beta) profile prior to running the Reflection Removal feature, please update it or you may see traces of removed reflections still present in the photo (Adobe Camera Raw will remind you to do this).

Boris Ajdin: Product Manager, Emerging Products Group

Update (01-16-2025)

To improve the performance and results of this feature, it is important that examples of images that are failing to properly remove the reflections are forwarded to the team via your report. A large variety of file formats are allowed as attachments in these forum posts. The best option is to attach your image's raw file directly to your feedback post. Note that there is a 50 MB limit on an attachment's file size. If your raw file is too large to attach, the best option is to share the file via a file-sharing service (Dropbox or similar) and then share the link in your feedback post. Thank you for continuing to provide feedback on this Tech Preview!

If you have already shared your raw file with us - thank you!

~Rikk

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Correct answer Conrad_C

This reply, earlier in this thread, explains why:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/p-reflection-removal-feedback-cr-amp-lrclassic/m-p/15405349#M28971

Also, it isn’t called “glare reduction.”

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grand_4785

Participant

So far, it has been a great tool. Something that would be helpful is to have an option to brush out the parts we don't want the effect on. I am shooting on a blue background, and I have an item in plastic that is reflecting some light. The tool works great to bring back detail on the item, but the background gets edited as well, which makes me unable to use the tool in this capacity. Other than that, solid so far.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Thanks for letting us know. We're working on new features for sure, including handling small reflections. Check out the Adobe blog to learn more.

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Sean Goodhart

Known Participant

I've read that the Reflections removal tool in the Distraction Removal panel is still in early life and has on-going development. I've an example image which the team might like to play with.

I've been waiting for a feature like this to be able to re-edit some old images I took through glass. This city view over Chicago includes shadows over the lake and reflections in the sky portion - especially noticable at the top right of the image.

I've attached a screen-shot of the LrC desktop showing the tool option applied, but reflections still exactly as they were.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Thanks for sharing. Yes, we are continuing to improve the tool, so watch for updates. If you're comfortable sharing the RAW original photo, that would be helpful.

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margareta94780972

Participant

Remove reflection doesn't work on my MacBook Pro. x

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Please post your system information. This tool will work best on newer Macbooks.

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Kristina C.

Participating Frequently

I'm having the same problem. Do you believe that one day its gonna be fixed or is there a turn-around? Thank you.

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tzurlis

Participant

does nor remove secondery placed reflactions, as in water puddel (see sample in right side of pic. under the umbrellas). same for floor reflaction of furnituars and back glass reflaction in musiume.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

The subject of this photo is a pool, pool deck, chairs, a hotel, plalm trees, and the sky. There is not a pane of glass between the camera and those subjects of the photo. The tool has therefore correctly determined that there is not glass, and has done nothing. Please checkout the Adobe blog to learn more about what this tool does.

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EIMO34043688pfdi

Participating Frequently

I tried this feature in LrC on Windows 10 with various photos (CR2 RAW), some of which I took specifically for this purpose. It doesn't work at all. In all cases, the recognition phase is aborted without warning.

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EIMO34043688pfdi

Participating Frequently

The estimated duration is displayed. The green bar appears for 1-2 seconds and shows initial progress. Then it stops, and the ‘Apply’ checkbox is inactive again.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Please share your system information. For some older systems, this tool might not work.

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bobbyatk

Inspiring

Tried reflection removal to help reduce the cloudiness caused by particulate matter in pool water.
I'd like to see ACR capability increase in this area, and perhaps also in underwater backscatter (from lights) reduction.
ACR was launhed from bridge, image then opened in PS 26.9.0. Layer was duplicated, converted to smart object, and opened in ACR 17.4.1.2280 as a filter.

Conrad_C

Community Expert

Just curious, how effective do you find the Dehaze option to be for underwater photography?

The reason I ask is that I wouldn’t expect reflection removal to work well for this. I’m not an underwater photography expert and I don’t work for Adobe, but from what Adobe has said reflection removal is trained using machine learning/AI to specifically address reflections of window glass between viewer and subject. But for underwater photos the problem is totally different. It isn’t about plane reflections at all, but the kind of contrast and detail reduction that is much more related to particulate haze and light diffusion as you mentioned. Although the Dehaze model is said to be built around how haze is formed through air, it seems like it would be a better match to clearing up underwater haze than reflection removal would be.

It would be nice to have an underwater feature that addressed water-specific haze and the color shift from the way water unevenly filters the daylight color spectrum. That does get even further away from what reflection removal is about.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Although Conrad is right that this underwater photo is technically not what the tool is designed to do, I agree that its interesting to try anyway. People have been using this tool for other things as well, like fence removal and flare removal. It will also sometimes remove reflections from the surface of water if you are looking down into the water at an object that is clearly visible (e.g., tide pools and other shallow waters). Underwater photos like the one attached here are quite different in nature, as Conrad points out, so it's less likely that the tool will do what you are hoping. Check out the Adobe blog to learn more about future directions for this tool.

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MJG18

Participant

Removal of reflections did not work

Michael Gough

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TxRanger

Inspiring

LRC reflection removal worked well on one photo that had very obvious reflections. On this photo, taken from a bus, it could not distinguish the reflections before or after I used Denoise.

Reflections-5044.zip

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

Please share the image. It seems you've attached the xmp file instead?

egelbarr

Participant

This is the first time I've tried using reflection removal. I did a good job on parts of the image, but missed on other (obvious?) parts of the image. I have included screen shots below from Lightroom. Happy to send RAW file if needed.

You can see below that it removed reflections along the sides and in the bottom 3 rows of windows, but did nothing along top row of windows where the reflecdtions seemed (to me) to be the strongest.

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

This is a terrific result. Thanks for sharing. As you probably know, the remove reflections tool is designed to remove reflections from glass that is in-between the camera and the subject of the photo (see the Adobe blog). Photos like this one are difficult because the subject is ambiguous: are you photographing the building, or the content within the building? While the answer might seem obvious to you as you look at this photo, there are a great many other photos in which a building has reflections on it and the user does not want to remove those reflections: imagine almost any photo you take of a building as you are standing on a city street outdoors. To resolve that ambiguity, this tool assumes that everything in your camera view is your subject, and it only removes reflections if there is a pane of glass blocking your entire subject. That is not the case for photos of buildings, like the one above, so the reflection removal result is more conservative (slightly incomplete). We will continue to work to improve the tool so you can use it as you need. Stay tuned for updates!

egelbarr

Participant

Thanks for the explanation! This was my first time using the tool, so I did not know what to expect. Your explanation makes sense. I'll keep that in mind whne shooting reflections. Any plans to make this a local adjustment?

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VisualsBySaurabh

Participant

okay so, i have been watching lot of videos regarding this outstanding feature, it removes reflections flawlessly but when right now when I used it for the first time, i was dissapointed. I have attached the screenshot, it can be seen clearly that, this feature could remove the glare, yes it added the contrast as well, actual reflections were not removed, I applied the BEST RESULT setting only, still.
May be it could not detect the reflection properly.
But that doesn't mean it is bad feature, it is just on the early stages and may be in future updates it could remove better.
Just an honest feedback

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Eric29489323q7t4

Adobe Employee

I would encourage you to check out the Adobe blog post about this tool. That way, you can learn more about how to get best results with it, and future plans we have.

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