Future of Coldfusion

Shhh, the grown ups are trying to talk.

"Dave in Orlando" <davdrake@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Massimo Foti said it better in the Dreamweaver.appdev forum than I have
seen
> in
> this group for the past serveral months...A true tidbit for a
> twit!...Massimo you rock, as always!..........
>
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>
> Below you can find excellent suggestions on how to improve your trolling
> skills:
> http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html
>
> Don't get me wrong, your post was better than the average troll, but there
> is definitively room for improvements
>
> Massimo
>
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> _|_| Dave in Orlando
> _|_|
>
> AceOfBase wrote:
> | coldfusion has just a fraction of this market - anything done now
> | will be too little too late I expect. There is no problem with cf as
> | such, only its relationship with average developers who just don't
> | see much reason to give it a chance.
> |
> | Think of this way, coldfusion is just for web. java and .net handle
> | ALL your needs. The simplicity advantage it has is dissapearing fast
> | too, thank to incredibly easy RoR and tools like vs.net that manage
> | to make even full blown oo languages far easie to use to build web
> | apps.
> |
> | Whilst coldfusion has some things going for it, things that suit
> | beginners, it has much much more against it. cf will remain an
> | outsider, a cool little toy for newbies, and never likley to be
> | useful to the masses.
> |
> |
> | "_KC_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> | news:e4t4lk$mg4$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> || Someone at my company mentioned adobe tech support for coldfusion is
> || going away?
> ||
> || I couldn't get any further details from them. Are there new
> || versions/developments of coldfusion underway and will coldfusion be
> || supported
> || going forward?
> ||
> || Thanks
>
>

Massimo Foti said it better in the Dreamweaver.appdev forum than I have seen
in
this group for the past serveral months...A true tidbit for a
twit!...Massimo you rock, as always!..........

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Below you can find excellent suggestions on how to improve your trolling
skills:
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

Don't get me wrong, your post was better than the average troll, but there
is definitively room for improvements

Massimo


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_|_| Dave in Orlando
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AceOfBase wrote:
| coldfusion has just a fraction of this market - anything done now
| will be too little too late I expect. There is no problem with cf as
| such, only its relationship with average developers who just don't
| see much reason to give it a chance.
|
| Think of this way, coldfusion is just for web. java and .net handle
| ALL your needs. The simplicity advantage it has is dissapearing fast
| too, thank to incredibly easy RoR and tools like vs.net that manage
| to make even full blown oo languages far easie to use to build web
| apps.
|
| Whilst coldfusion has some things going for it, things that suit
| beginners, it has much much more against it. cf will remain an
| outsider, a cool little toy for newbies, and never likley to be
| useful to the masses.
|
|
| "_KC_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
| news:e4t4lk$mg4$1@forums.macromedia.com...
|| Someone at my company mentioned adobe tech support for coldfusion is
|| going away?
||
|| I couldn't get any further details from them. Are there new
|| versions/developments of coldfusion underway and will coldfusion be
|| supported
|| going forward?
||
|| Thanks

I hope cold fusion continues, we use cold fusion in our company for everything is secure, easy to learn and we do lots of things. My compañy is in south america Colombia.

coldfusion has just a fraction of this market - anything done now will be
too little too late I expect. There is no problem with cf as such, only its
relationship with average developers who just don't see much reason to give
it a chance.

Think of this way, coldfusion is just for web. java and .net handle ALL your
needs. The simplicity advantage it has is dissapearing fast too, thank to
incredibly easy RoR and tools like vs.net that manage to make even full
blown oo languages far easie to use to build web apps.

Whilst coldfusion has some things going for it, things that suit beginners,
it has much much more against it. cf will remain an outsider, a cool little
toy for newbies, and never likley to be useful to the masses.


"_KC_" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Someone at my company mentioned adobe tech support for coldfusion is going
> away?
>
> I couldn't get any further details from them. Are there new
> versions/developments of coldfusion underway and will coldfusion be
> supported
> going forward?
>
> Thanks
>

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> yes, I said it. PHP syntax is just horrible

I agree totally, but that's really only about what feels natural on a
personal level. I am sure plenty of programmers think cf syntax is a little
ugly, particularly all the > and < business.

> I can't see why ColdFusion would/should die.

Me either, but it will never be as popular as it used to be before the more
open and more standardised technologies became widely available.

> My previous company kicked me out after a merging with another, when they
decided to cut out the ColdFusion production in favor of J2EE.

Sad, but familiar. CF just isn't marketed as well as j2ee and their isn't
close to being as many cf developers as there are developers in the other
platforms.

>Yes, I know you're laughing. J2EE is the
most idiotic, slow and expensive way of programming web applications in any
scale less than huge-massive.

Which really just makes the point that decision makers are sold on hype. CF
would do an admirable job in many cases where decision makers went with
cumbersome j2ee installs.

>And, it's true that in for example in Finland (5+ Million people) you can't
see _any_ ColdFusion jobs open. In five years, I've seen a handful.

Same here in Australia. One would never opt to learn coldfusion unless there
was strong reason to belive it would earn you a living, which over here it
probably would not. This of course stymies uptake. As I said in my last
post; cf is in some respects already dead, and in others very much alive -
it seems to be patchy around the globe. Unfortunately, this generally cannot
be said for php, .net and j2ee which are very much in widespread use. Thats
not to mention the next big cf killer on the horizon, Ruby On Rails.

>I still believe the most
popular times of ColdFusion are still ahead.

I struggle to see this. Sensibly speaking, this should be the case. But
that's coming from a developer viewpoint. Sadly, too many decision makers
just don't have a clue!








"Fernis" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> I've been a full-time ColdFusion developer for 10 years (since late 1996).
It
> took me 9 years before I got to know PHP, and I even programmed a couple
of
> live sites to companies. It was actually a shock, how badly PHP suits
simple
> and quick web application building, compared to ColdFusion. CF is just so
well
> scoped and thought over. As long as CF remains easier, quicker and
code-wise
> more elegant than PHP (yes, I said it. PHP syntax is just horrible), I
can't
> see why ColdFusion would/should die.
>
> My previous company kicked me out after a merging with another, when they
> decided to cut out the ColdFusion production in favor of J2EE. And they do
> purely web sites. ...excuse me?! :-) Yes, I know you're laughing. J2EE is
the
> most idiotic, slow and expensive way of programming web applications in
any
> scale less than huge-massive. And they can't understand they could use CF
as
> the "facade" language, since it's built on J2EE. Their loss. Adobe's loss
too.
> It's dying in areas where it's not well known enough.
>
> And, it's true that in for example in Finland (5+ Million people) you
can't
> see _any_ ColdFusion jobs open. In five years, I've seen a handful. There
was
> one about "n" months ago. I e-mailed them, saying I could do some
consulting if
> they couldn't find anyone. After two months, they e-mailed me back... you
> guess the rest... ;-)
>
> Despite of this, I have spotted news about how BlueDragon sales have been
> rocketing up, and MM is selling CF7 very well also. I still believe the
most
> popular times of ColdFusion are still ahead.
>

I've been a full-time ColdFusion developer for 10 years (since late 1996). It took me 9 years before I got to know PHP, and I even programmed a couple of live sites to companies. It was actually a shock, how badly PHP suits simple and quick web application building, compared to ColdFusion. CF is just so well scoped and thought over. As long as CF remains easier, quicker and code-wise more elegant than PHP (yes, I said it. PHP syntax is just horrible), I can't see why ColdFusion would/should die.

My previous company kicked me out after a merging with another, when they decided to cut out the ColdFusion production in favor of J2EE. And they do purely web sites. ...excuse me?! :-) Yes, I know you're laughing. J2EE is the most idiotic, slow and expensive way of programming web applications in any scale less than huge-massive. And they can't understand they could use CF as the "facade" language, since it's built on J2EE. Their loss. Adobe's loss too. It's dying in areas where it's not well known enough.

And, it's true that in for example in Finland (5+ Million people) you can't see _any_ ColdFusion jobs open. In five years, I've seen a handful. There was one about "n" months ago. I e-mailed them, saying I could do some consulting if they couldn't find anyone. After two months, they e-mailed me back... you guess the rest... ;-)

Despite of this, I have spotted news about how BlueDragon sales have been rocketing up, and MM/Adobe is selling CF7 very well also. I still believe the most popular times of ColdFusion are still ahead.

You might want to see Damon Cooper's comments to a recent blog disucssion along these lines:

ColdFusion Needs A Roadmap
http://www.cbetta.com/blog/index.cfm/2006/5/19/coldfusion-needs-a-roadmap

Well in my division my first initiative after starting in january 06 was to setup a new mx 7 server and start migrating our old apps to the new server. This was mainly becuase i learned MX 6.1 in school and maintining poorly written apps in CF 5.0 is more work than its worth.

I guess our other divisions don't have the same plan...

Yes, there are new versions/developments of coldfusion and jrun underway.

Yes, it will be supported going forward.