Should I use Coldfusion?

Inspiring

re: > Adobe has apparently decided that the current level of
> marketing/support/development is sufficient to meet their goals for
> ColdFusion.

Yes - is so much as if you know a product has no real chance fo doing well,
you don't waste money taking the risk of over spending on marketing that
won't reap rewards.

re: > If I thought CF would benefit from an integrated IDE, I would say so.
I just
> don't see the need.

Thats crazy talk - if an IDE were introuduced you would applaud it and go
along with all the fanfare of "long awaited", "much anticpated" etc; Just as
was done when image manipulation tags were finally introduced.

re: > Bottom line, at the end fhe day, I make money using CF.

Excellent - and wouldn't it be nice if CF was viable for more people, not
just people like yourself? Ypu seeming can;t see that there are massive
numbers of folk that love cf and used to use cf that have to fave reality -
the jobs are dissapearing and cf is becoming rare.

"tclaremont" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Lets look at this more objectively.
>
> Adobe is a "for profit" corporation. They are entitled to do what they
> feel
> appropriate to make money. Being one of the largest software companies in
> the
> world, they know a thing or three about how to accomplish that. Taking
> passive-aggressive suggestions from multiple personality disorderd trolls
> is
> likely not very high on their list of priorities.
>
> Adobe has apparently decided that the current level of
> marketing/support/development is sufficient to meet their goals for
> ColdFusion. That is not debatable. It is obvious. Note that I said THEIR
> goals.
> Not your goals.
>
> *My* objective, like Adobe's, is also to make money. I use ColdFusion
> every
> day. Have been doing it for close to a decade. It allows me to make
> customers
> happy in very short order. I suspect this is the attraction for many
> people on
> this forum.
>
> My allegience is not so much to Adobe or ColdFusion, but rather to my
> customers. I *do* however, exercise a little patience with regard to not
> biting
> the hand that feeds me. I make *positive* suggestions. I *support* the
> members
> of this forum by providing answers and diluting FUD. I try to attract
> *more*
> people to investigate CF, as opposed to dissuading them.
>
> If I thought CF would benefit from an integrated IDE, I would say so. I
> just
> don't see the need. If I thought more books about CF would be beneficial,
> I
> would say so. If I did not think the price I pay for CF was reasonable, I
> would
> say so, or just not pay it.
>
> Bottom line, at the end fhe day, I make money using CF. I seriously doubt
> if I
> would make *more* money if *more* people used CF or if it became more
> popular.
> Thus, I don't have much to gripe about.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Inspiring

Lets look at this more objectively.

Adobe is a "for profit" corporation. They are entitled to do what they feel appropriate to make money. Being one of the largest software companies in the world, they know a thing or three about how to accomplish that. Taking passive-aggressive suggestions from multiple personality disorderd trolls is likely not very high on their list of priorities.

Adobe has apparently decided that the current level of marketing/support/development is sufficient to meet their goals for ColdFusion. That is not debatable. It is obvious. Note that I said THEIR goals. Not your goals.

*My* objective, like Adobe's, is also to make money. I use ColdFusion every day. Have been doing it for close to a decade. It allows me to make customers happy in very short order. I suspect this is the attraction for many people on this forum.

My allegience is not so much to Adobe or ColdFusion, but rather to my customers. I *do* however, exercise a little patience with regard to not biting the hand that feeds me. I make *positive* suggestions. I *support* the members of this forum by providing answers and diluting FUD. I try to attract *more* people to investigate CF, as opposed to dissuading them.

If I thought CF would benefit from an integrated IDE, I would say so. I just don't see the need. If I thought more books about CF would be beneficial, I would say so. If I did not think the price I pay for CF was reasonable, I would say so, or just not pay it.

Bottom line, at the end fhe day, I make money using CF. I seriously doubt if I would make *more* money if *more* people used CF or if it became more popular. Thus, I don't have much to gripe about.

A

Anonymous

quote:

Originally posted by: tclaremont
Bottom line, at the end fhe day, I make money using CF. I seriously doubt if I would make *more* money if *more* people used CF or if it became more popular. Thus, I don't have much to gripe about.

I applaud your attempt to use reason.

I don't know of a single ColdFusion developer who hasn't done well. When I started my current gig almost 8 years ago, I was barely aware of what ColdFusion was, and wasn't at all sure it was a direction I wanted to go in. But it worked out nicely. Though I'm two hours from Chicago, I'm getting paid as if I worked in the Loop. And though I haven't posted a resume anywhere for about 5 years, I still get several calls each month from recruiters mostly in Chicago, Madison, Milwaukee and St Louis....but it's not at all unusual for me to answer the phone and find someone from LA or Houston or New York wondering if I'd consider a move. There's a few I've spoken with probably a dozen times or more...they've got a constant influx of CF positions to fill.

If this is what one gets for "making the wrong choice of development language," then thank goodness for it.

Inspiring

re: Does anyone think for a moment that Insident and Compaq are not the
same
> person?

There is no Compaq posting here - so doubtful they are same person.

re: but it's tough when having to deal with someone who is so inherently
> dishonest in his dealings with this forum.

Where's the dishonesty? Anything I have said is entirely true or entirely my
opinion.

re: It would really be
> best for all involved, including him, if he were to simply move on.

Might be better for you. Not sure you could possibly know whats best for me.
You can't even know my motivations or goals, let alone wether or not I am
meeting them succesfully or not. You worry about you, I'll worry about me.

re: > If, as he suggests (over and over and over) CF is not well-marketed

There's no "if" - it's not marketed very well. There's plenty a cf developer
complianed about this and plenty of evidence given to support it.

re: then one is forced to wonder what dragon he is trying
> to slay.

Is "one" really "forced" to do this? Not at all. The "dragon" by the way is
the lousy cf adoption and marketing and there is nothing wrong with my
wanting to "slay" it.

"pcbrown" <rebootfan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone think for a moment that Insident and Compaq are not the
> same
> person?
>
> It was the first thing that occured to me. You want to grant the benefit
> of
> the doubt, but it's tough when having to deal with someone who is so
> inherently
> dishonest in his dealings with this forum. (I didn't want to use the word
> "dishonest," but sadly, it's probably appropriate.)
>
> We've all heard his argument. Adobe has heard his argument. It would
> really be
> best for all involved, including him, if he were to simply move on. This
> obsessive behavior on his part can't be good for him. And the threads he
> starts
> are pointless: web developers are intelligent enough to select their own
> tools.
> If CF works for them, they'll use it, if it doesn't, they won't.
>
> If, as he suggests (over and over and over) CF is not well-marketed and is
> languishing in obscurity, then one is forced to wonder what dragon he is
> trying
> to slay.
>

A

Anonymous

Does anyone think for a moment that Insident and Compaq are not the same person?

It was the first thing that occured to me. You want to grant the benefit of the doubt, but it's tough when having to deal with someone who is so inherently dishonest in his dealings with this forum. (I didn't want to use the word "dishonest," but sadly, it's probably appropriate.)

We've all heard his argument. Adobe has heard his argument. It would really be best for all involved, including him, if he were to simply move on. This obsessive behavior on his part can't be good for him. And the threads he starts are pointless: web developers are intelligent enough to select their own tools. If CF works for them, they'll use it, if it doesn't, they won't.

If, as he suggests (over and over and over) CF is not well-marketed and is languishing in obscurity, then one is forced to wonder what dragon he is trying to slay.

Inspiring

Does anyone think for a moment that Insident and Compaq are not the same person?

Inspiring

bad granma and all - I think I make my point well enough and I know beyond
any shadow of a doubt that I get many folk to do their research more
thouroghly. While many probaly do opt to go with something more popular and
RAD, at least those who do adopt it have done so with all possible view
points expressed. No harm no foul. Afterall, cf can be the right choice fo
rsome folk, I am not beyond seeing that.

"JoeNH2k" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> The trolls comments are good lunch time humor, especially the parts where
> he
> brutalizes the English dictionary. It's hard to take someone serious if
> they
> come across so negative and try to put a spin on it like they are doing CF
> a
> service.
>

Inspiring

you are telling this poster to ignore when he has already done the research
for himself!! You are telling him about a book market he alerady knows in
not healthy. (Ever hear of search engines)

"Katsuey" <katsuey@removeitkatsuey.com> wrote in message
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>> You guys have to admit that their aren't many books on CF, which is quite
>> odd.
>> Isn't Forta's book like the only serious book on CF? All others were
>> published
>> in 2003, latest? I have to say that isn't a wonderful sign. Even PHP has
>> books
>> printed every year if you do an Amazon search and look at publication
>> dates.
>
> First and foremost, ignore the troll. He/she probably has never even used
> CF and certainly has not real facts to back up claims. There are excellent
> CF books, but WACK by Forta has the absolute lead in the market. One
> of the reasons is the dept of this book (about 1500 pages!). for some
> smaller books I started with Barry Moore's 10 Steps.
>

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Anonymous

The trolls comments are good lunch time humor, especially the parts where he brutalizes the English dictionary. It's hard to take someone serious if they come across so negative and try to put a spin on it like they are doing CF a service.

Inspiring

<CFSARCASM>
Joe, he is is doing YOU a service by showing bad grammer and spelling in an effort to help YOU improve YOUR skills. He is just trying to help.

How dare you look a gift horse in the mouth!
</CFSARCASM>

Inspiring

Anyone else find this statement odd?

If Adobe can't see how many people come to this very forum and see so much negative endorsement their product recieves, then we hav big problems. I like to think they "listen".

The "how many people" equates to 25 aliases of the same person, and an occasional drifter.