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November 26, 2018
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How do teams of animators access the same master folder of Illustrator files?

  • November 26, 2018
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I am the sole animator at my company. I create After Effects animations using Adobe Illustrator files. I import the AI files, animate them, then export the final video via Media Encoder. Simple enough.

The problem: Right now, I keep all my AI files (hundreds of them), and AE files (dozens of them) on an external hard drive. This works okay for the moment, but soon we will be hiring 2  more animators, and they will need to work on the AI/AE files too. Many of my AI files are complex, so the file sizes are often large. As such, it is impractical to store all our files on the Create Cloud storage because the constant synching process will bog down our software/computers catastrophically...or so the Adobe folks tell me. 

The question: How do other animation teams handle this kind of AI/AE file sharing? Me and the other animators will need to "hand off" projects from one person to the next on a day to day basis. Is the only solution storing all the files on a server provided by my company (one that we all can VPN off of)? My VPN understanding is limited, but my basic understanding is that we could theoretically all connect via VPN to a server that has ALL our files saved on it...and being that it's a server, our software/computers won't get as bogged down (even with the larger files). Is this correct? Or am I misunderstanding something? Is there a better/more obvious option I should be considering? Thank you so much to anyone who is willing to weigh in!

P.S. I have Adobe Libraries in the past, but I don't know that's an appropriate option when we have hundreds (soon going into thousands) of AI files. Thoughts?

Cheers,

Leslie

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Correct answer Daniel E Lane

I have not dealt with this issue for animation, but I have for large video editing projects where I used to work. You just need some sort of network drive set up that everyone will ave access to. Then have everyone use Bridge to navigate to that drive and all of the AI & AE files stored there. Works pretty well for the most part. Not sure how many GB or TB of data you are talking about, but a drive array with a full mirror raid set up will only cost around $500-$600  for around 10TB of storage for everyone to work from.

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Abambo
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 27, 2018

Your request is a little bit confuse, probably because of the technicity of your request.

First some preliminaries:

  • The issue here are not the Illustrator files but the After Effect files (the film data). They will tend to be quite huge.
  • You need to determine if you are working locally or remotely (or a mix of it). This will largely influence you technology choice.

Some technical explanations:

  • VPN is a virtual private network. This means that when I work remotely, that I connect via a standard internet line to my office network (or even home network...). As that standard line is an open line and anyone listening could intrude, you use for such operations a special software, creating a kind of data pipeline to a place. As long as you work in that environment, your data passes through that pipeline back and forth as if you would work inside of your office. For doing this, you need a fast internet, as you add to the load the VPN stuff. And when you do browsing on the internet, you do that via the corporate infrastructure ie sending a request via the VPN to the company and the router sends that out on the internet and returns the answer via the VPN line back to your PC.

    VPN is only needed, when working remotely or when connecting different offices around the world with a corporate network (I see servers in China, the USA, Italy and elsewhere in the world).

    VPN is neither cloud storage nor NAS. It is only a technology to make your local network securely accessible over the internet.



  • (Inter)Network storage or commonly called cloud storage like Adobe cloud, Amazon cloud and similar, open you to store data on remote storage systems and to access them via the (inter)net. So this is a kind of outsourced storage solution, but also working over the internet, using a secured line, similar to a VPN or your home banking.

  • Local network storage or NAS (network access storage) means that you buy a computer that serves as a server, one or more hard disks and put some sophisticated server software on this device. You can use either an out of the box solution (ideal for 2-5 people: Qnap, Synology,...) or you use full fledged servers (like Linux servers, Windows servers)  needing more maintenance but giving also more possibilities. Just to say: Qnap and Synology are also running Linux, but you will not need to know the OS to work with them.

    You will connect to those NAS drives like local drives, except that if your LAN is slow, you will have a penalty. But in general internet storage is slowest (therefore it is cached locally), next is NAS and then there is direct connected storage: your local hard disk or SSD.

If you are working locally you need NAS. If you are working remotely you need either NAS and VPN or cloud storage big enough to hold your data.

In all cases, you need a backup strategy.

Well just to say: you also now need a backup strategy, especially as an external hard drive is probably not the most reliable.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
Legend
November 28, 2018

If you use a server you can expect regular corruption, which may not be spotted at first. In a production project you will need a very effective backup strategy. This is a normal part of project planning -don’t wait until someone loses weeks of work at a critical time!

you also need a strong system to stop two people trying to work on the same file at the same time. Anination production companies may well ysecdoecuslist software to manage the whole process.

Abambo
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 28, 2018

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Test+Screen+Name  wrote

If you use a server you can expect regular corruption, which may not be spotted at first.

That is not my experience, but this has probably to do with the quality of the server and software. We had only once data corruption and that was because IT used a program to outsource older files. All out Indesign files were not working anymore and PDF generation failed, even when they were working.

But except this part, I did not experience corruption and I'm using NAS storage for about 30 years now...

However, the project files were never NAS located and for performance reasons I very often cache the video files locally and output to the NAS.

My experience with external USB disks, however, is different. They fail quite often and in general it is not the disk but the electronics on the disk creating trouble. I've rescued one disk by delicately exchanging the disk plates into a second (working) case and cloned the data. Needless to say that this is a very delicate operation and after that, all disks involved should be sorted out as they could not be seen as reliable anymore.  (I do not have a dust free chamber...)

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
Daniel E Lane
Daniel E LaneCorrect answer
Inspiring
November 27, 2018

I have not dealt with this issue for animation, but I have for large video editing projects where I used to work. You just need some sort of network drive set up that everyone will ave access to. Then have everyone use Bridge to navigate to that drive and all of the AI & AE files stored there. Works pretty well for the most part. Not sure how many GB or TB of data you are talking about, but a drive array with a full mirror raid set up will only cost around $500-$600  for around 10TB of storage for everyone to work from.

Participant
November 27, 2018

Thanks for your reply Daniel, you've confirmed some important things for me. I appreciate you describing the most logical setup. I agree that a network drive really is the best solution. I'll admit, if Adobe ever DID come up with a way to create proxies for vector files, that would be amazing. I understand why proxies aren't an option for vector art, but boy would it open the door for me and my team to take full advantage of Adobe Team Projects and Creative Cloud storage.

Thank you again for taking the time to read my post and providing a helpful answer!

Raimundo Illanes
Inspiring
November 27, 2018

Did you try to share a Creative Cloud folder?

Participant
November 27, 2018

Thanks for your reply! Yes, I've shared the Creative Cloud folder with a coworker, and they technically can access the files....sort of. The larger AI files bog down the AE software though, often to the point where certain AI files won't even show up in the AE project. We're able to import the AI files from the Cloud folder into an AE project, but the large AIs are just blank/transparent with no actual content showing. This doesn't happen with smaller AI files, so I can only assume this is due to larger file sizes bogging down the software. I really wish there was a way to create lower-res proxies of AI/vector content in Team projects, but it just doesn't seem possible for vector art.

Thanks again for weighing in!

Nancy OShea
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 27, 2018

Does your company use networked drives or maybe Amazon Cloud / S3 Bucket storage?

Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert
Participant
November 27, 2018

We don't have a network drive...yet. It will be several months before we get the chance of petitioning for one, so I was hoping to find some magical alternate solution. Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it! The drive is the best solution for sure.