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BenPleysier
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August 17, 2021

Sorry @B i r n o u , I felt that this is a topic that deserves its own space.

 

Look Mum, no hands Dreamweaver

 

 

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pziecina
pziecina
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August 18, 2021

I don't look-in on this forum often anymore, but it's nice to see nothing has changed, (and I do really mean 'nothing').

 

Dw has not been for the serious web designer/developer for years now, and there is only those who are not professional web designers/developers, but whom Adobe listen(ed) to when it came to web design/development, to blame.

 

I doubt if the majority of users are actually building sites worth more than £250- £1000, with it. Most users are NOT serious about web design/development, and view it as something that is now 'fixed' in what is required and how it works, (with no inovation). Cheap and nasty, appears to be the rule, and if a client wants anything more, then the advice is to use wordpress or some other site builder, (and if you know code, some other editor).

 

Maybe most do not even know what can be earned by a professional web designer/developer, as I can remember someone quoting £35000 a few years ago, as though it was a 'fantastic' salary, (gods, my pension is more than that). The conception that web design/development is not a highly paid profession, may have made Adobe (and what is expected of Dw) think there is no point in developing a progran that is not used by professionals. After all if Dw is for beginners and 'part-timers', then Adobe may not really want to be assosiated with it.

(I know I no long do)

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    osgood_
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    August 18, 2021

    Hi Paula,

     

    Nice to see you around here again. I think unless you work for some City based web-development company, where its quite possible to earn 70k plus per year as a web developer or higher if youre a team leader then you will most likely be earning a lot less working in some out in the sticks company or freelancing for small locals.

     

    I agree though a lot has changed in the 20 years lve been in web-development. I never wanted to work for a blue chip company as l always found the environment too back stabing and full of materialistc, souless robots. Not really my bag so was prepared to sacrifice that and not realise my full potential in exchange for much less money and more freedom. 

     

    Its not that difficult to get a high paying job paid for by tax payers money, just look at the bbc or government departments full of box tickers, who then outsource the work. The pay today bears no relation to the skills one possess, its who you work for and how much that company or organisation can rip the general public off or the tax payer, think ppe.

     

    As for Adobes involment with web develoment tools, they gave up years ago but wont admit it. Automation, AI and easy access to DIY products unfortunately change the landscape for many over the course of their journey. Some will be protected by attaching themselves to environments which arent as affected by change, ie we set the price, you pay, its not open to negotiation as we have workers wages and pensions to pay, not to mention those shareholders who also want a piece of the pie.

     

     

     

     

     

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    pziecina
    pziecina
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    August 18, 2021

    Hi Os,

     

    There is always a trade-off, when it comes to earnings vs job satisfaction, but what I am trying to point out is -

     

    No company who claim to produce software for professionals, will invest in a product used primarily by beginners and part-timers. Which is the direction Dw has moved to. Also no one is going to get involved in a profession which does not provide a future, (be that money or satisfaction).

     

    What I have read, (looking through this forums posts over the last few months and other sources) is that web design/development, has no middle ground. It is either cheap and chearfull, (or nasty) or highly specialised design/development, which is giving a false impression of what is possible and the knowledge required by everyone in my opinion.

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      Nancy OShea
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      Nancy OSheaCommunity Expert
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      August 17, 2021

      Adobe's webectomy says it all:

      • Muse is dead.
      • Business Catalyst is dead.
      • Brackets is dead.
      • Flash is dead.
      • PhoneGap Build is dead.

       

      Adobe's web-based services  -- Portfolio, Behance & Spark  --  have no dedicated support boards on this platform.  When asked by a customer about Portfolio's status, an Adobe manager had this to say:  "...the Portfolio team asked us to close up shop here."  

      https://community.adobe.com/t5/download-install/is-portfolio-still-being-developed/td-p/11583268?page=1

       

      Apart from CF, DW, and Animate  -- which is arguably more design tool than web tool  -- Adobe has quit making Creative Cloud apps that produce usable code for the web.  Sadly, it is what it is...

       

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      osgood_
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      August 17, 2021

      We are just in denial......hoping. Its finished, the end. Dont want to compete in a competitive world. I cant say lm surprised and neither should anyone else be thats been around long enough to pick up signals.

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      BenPleysier
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      BenPleysierCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
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      August 17, 2021

      Sorry @B i r n o u , I felt that this is a topic that deserves its own space.

       

      Look Mum, no hands Dreamweaver

       

       

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        Sorry @B i r n o u , I felt that this is a topic that deserves its own space.

        By @BenPleysier

         

        on the contrary, I think it's a very good initiative...thanks Ben

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