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Guido Bras
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November 3, 2023
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Advice for migrating a small Mac network from Mac Server to NAS

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Hi, I've an IT background and helping some friends: they run a small studio with 3 intel iMacs, working with InDesign, Photoshop and Illustrator.

Opening and saving files to a very old Mac fileserver (OSX 10.5.8 !), everything has been working very well, for years.

 

Time has come to replace that server, looking to a Synology small NAS (DS423+) with 4TB of redundand storage (RAID 5). Why Synology? Because that company (should) have the best AFP inpolementation in the (cheap) NAS arena.

In theory everything should go well, but here on the forum I'm reading about quirks and problems between Adobe apps and NAS.
Ok, Adobe recommends working locally... but my friends would be very happy to keep going on like they have done until today.

 

Any suggestions about the NAS brand or NAS configuration they should use?

Or no NAS at all? In that case, because they only have a small budget, what is a correct and reliable solution? A Mac mini with an external RAID enclosure is more expensive and, on paper, has a lot more failure points.

If you're using one of these setups (NAS or Mac server + Adobe) I would be very interested in your experinece and advice.
Thank you 

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James Gifford—NitroPress
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November 29, 2023

Cheap NAS tend to have very slow access times; it's the price you pay for having massive storage, especially RAID, managed by a microcontroller. Whatever other advantages they have in cost and putative reliability, the problems with them as an Adobe hub — especially for InDesign — trace to that slow access. (Not quite relevant, but I have an older Buffalo NAS that will accept write about as fast as is ever neeeded, but reading back data from the RAID5 array is like a throwback to 10 meg networks. I use it only as a backup destination these days.)

 

There's nothing that beats a full-fledged local file server with a quality RAID adapter. My (WinServerR12) box has been running without more than dusting off for quite some time, and I keep all workfiles there 100% of the time.

 

I'd suggest to anyone with a budget and deadline-based jobs or profits that stretching the former makes achieving the latter far less painful. The ROI is a no-brainer, to me.

Guido Bras
Participant
December 7, 2023

That's very interesting, thank you James.

 

Putting the puzzle pieces toghether:

  • we have a very old full fledged fileserver (a G5 Mac Pro) with two HDs in RAID1, a quite basic LAN (100Mbps) and things run smoothly for us
  • You have a beefed-up Windows Server with a quality RAID card and things run smootly for you.
    (so no errors saving Adobe Files, especially InDesign, or other annoying quirks? i.e https://community.synology.com/enu/forum/1/post/158481)
  • In your experience quality NAS boxes tend to have good write but poor read performance.

 

So, if disk read is the bottleneck, could a good NAS box (any brand you could recommend?) with a RAID1 array be a viable solution?

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
December 7, 2023

I don't know of any NAS, with any RAID configuration, that approaches server-level file speeds, especially when usage goes outside basic "full open/full save" modes. The sort of interim modes where (for example) Adobe does selected reads, controlled by the app host, to do previews and searching and such, seem to be beyond the small, fairly dumb controllers of NAS.

 

My Win server is around fifteen years old, running Win Server R12 with a high-end RAID controller of (IIRC) mid-grade discs. (That is, not 10k high-transfer-speed server drives.) I have never had a file access or management issue with any app, nor any noticeable access delays. I keep ALL work files on it other than local junk, and never move files to local drives for work or access purposes.

 

It doesn't take much server power for a few users, but it has to be a full-fledged server, with a full server OS that can manage more complex file access and operations than "in and out." That model works fine for office files of moderate size, but it's always been a bottleneck for apps that use many or very large files — most of the Adobe suite, for example — or need fast segmented access, like most database managers. The controller and OS just don't have enough horsepower to manage that complex file access with any speed.

 

I have an old Buffalo NAS that I've used almost exclusively for archival storage and backup. It was always adequate for write speed, but deadly slow in returning anything but smaller files. Now, it uses obsolete file protocols but is still good enough as a backup destination.

 

I'd say that any shop with multiple workstations that needs to share files, as well as keep them centrally managed for versioning, sharing and backup, is being penny-foolish not to use a full-fledged server for the job. Besides the slow and erratic access by advanced apps, the whole process of moving files and packages back and from (say) a NAS to local is fraught with time, data loss and human error land mines. And I may be out of step, but I put most cloud storage in the same basket. Whatever is "gained" by shareable remote storage is often lost to limited file operations and the dangers of that "check in/check out" work model.

 

ETA: Put the cost of  a "good" NAS into a new server — Mac, Win or even Linux. Maybe a good used one that someone outgrew, or that needs a new disc array. Any platform can be optimized for use in a Mac environment, but all will take some expertise to set up and a bit of routine supervision and maintenance as time goes by. But it's the right solution, no matter how attractive a "plug and play" NAS might seem. Use any existing NAS or the old server for storage, such as backups and archived client files.

sarapa72
Participant
November 29, 2023

I'm very interested in that too