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June 30, 2022
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CMYK vs RGB for IngramSpark and grayscale images

  • June 30, 2022
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Has anyone here had experience printing a book with grayscale images on Premium paper at IngramSpark? If so, did you get better results following their recommendations to submit CMYK or by submitting RGB images?

 

I'm producing a book with all grayscale images. On KDP, although KDP says to give them CMYK output, the images have much less of a color cast if I keep them in RGB, and the covers also turn out better with RGB. In both cases, in my multiple test books, PDF/X-1a files yielded inferior results to PDF/X-3 files, presumably because of mismatches between the profile I specified for the CMYK conversion and the one KDP actually uses, which they don't divulge.

 

IngramSpark warns me that if I use the RGB images for the interior and cover files, their conversion will likely cause a color shift. But my understanding is that IngramSpark and KDP use similar printers and, when KDP's printers are overloaded, they'll have some of the printing done at IngramSpark/LightningSource. And Ingram, like KDP, provides no instructions I could find about what profile to use for CMYK.

 

My inclination is to go with RGB first, but I'd be grateful for hearing what has worked best for others who have gone down this path.

 

Thanks -

David

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Correct answer rob day

Hi @DavidOfMA , they recommend PDF/X-1a, but don’t tell you what the CMYK press profile should be, so if you use the InDesign default US Web Coated SWOP it wouldn’t be surprising to get a color cast because surely your POD job is not being printed on a web press.

 

It would make sense that providing RGB images with embedded source profiles (PDF/X-4 or X-3 with No Color Conversion) would work better, because the conversion to CMYK would have to happen at output hopefully to the correct press profile.

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Community Expert
June 30, 2022

It says on their documentation that grayscale images should be in grayscale

 

https://www.ingramspark.com/hubfs/downloads/file-creation-guide.pdf

 

DavidOfMAAuthor
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June 30, 2022

Thanks, I've also read that. However, when I tried grayscale images with the similar KDP printers, the images were all far too light, and PDF/X-1a CMYK images, which is what they recommended, had a strong greenish cast. It took several proofs to determine that of the possible permutations of grayscale, RGB, and CMYK, the best result was from RGB.

Community Expert
June 30, 2022

I don't understand how a grayscale image ends up looking green.

What other KDP printers are  you referring to? What were their guidelines?