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Convert PDF to INDD

  • August 24, 2017
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Is it possible to do in the Adobe CC (latest) suite? Not looking to use any external software.

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Correct answer Dov Isaacs

Some observations on this topic …

Ironically, in the early beta test builds of what became InDesign, in fact one was able to not only place PDF, but also open PDF. The feature was very quickly “pulled” since it was exceptionally difficult to guarantee a reasonable mapping of any arbitrary PDF content to the structure of an InDesign document. And this was before transparency even entered the PDF imaging model!

Illustrator tried to support round-tripping by using PDF as a container for private data which is the real Illustrator format. Thus, if you save an Illustrator file as PDF and select the editability option (not available with all PDF export options), the resultant PDF file effectively contains two files, one the actual final form PDF content and the other, the private Illustrator file format which is ignored by Acrobat. However, if you edit the PDF file in Acrobat, those changes don't get reflected in the Illustrator content. To make matters worse, this has led many to believe that Adobe Illustrator is a general purpose PDF editor, which it absolutely isn't. (I discuss that in detail in other threads!) Simply stated, the PDF imaging model is much more complex than the features supported by Adobe Illustrator.

The same issue but with even more complications would be true if InDesign was to support a private-data-within-PDF file save feature. Why? InDesign supports fewer features of the full PDF imaging model than even Illustrator does (although it does support documents with more than one color space).

The likelihood of Adobe providing a PDF conversion to InDesign feature within InDesign (or Acrobat) is exceptionally low due to the literal impossibility of doing a full conversion versus customer expectations.

Personally, I would recommend the third party plug-in or utility route for casual PDF to InDesign conversion, understanding that a 100% conversion of arbitrary PDF to InDesign is literally impossible.

          - Dov

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Abambo
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November 17, 2022

@will25171488kyd3 wrote:

How to import a PDF into InDesign


Please refrain from waking up old threads, when you do not wave an answer. Your post is not in relation with the question. 

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
Dov Isaacs
Dov IsaacsCorrect answer
Legend
August 24, 2017

Some observations on this topic …

Ironically, in the early beta test builds of what became InDesign, in fact one was able to not only place PDF, but also open PDF. The feature was very quickly “pulled” since it was exceptionally difficult to guarantee a reasonable mapping of any arbitrary PDF content to the structure of an InDesign document. And this was before transparency even entered the PDF imaging model!

Illustrator tried to support round-tripping by using PDF as a container for private data which is the real Illustrator format. Thus, if you save an Illustrator file as PDF and select the editability option (not available with all PDF export options), the resultant PDF file effectively contains two files, one the actual final form PDF content and the other, the private Illustrator file format which is ignored by Acrobat. However, if you edit the PDF file in Acrobat, those changes don't get reflected in the Illustrator content. To make matters worse, this has led many to believe that Adobe Illustrator is a general purpose PDF editor, which it absolutely isn't. (I discuss that in detail in other threads!) Simply stated, the PDF imaging model is much more complex than the features supported by Adobe Illustrator.

The same issue but with even more complications would be true if InDesign was to support a private-data-within-PDF file save feature. Why? InDesign supports fewer features of the full PDF imaging model than even Illustrator does (although it does support documents with more than one color space).

The likelihood of Adobe providing a PDF conversion to InDesign feature within InDesign (or Acrobat) is exceptionally low due to the literal impossibility of doing a full conversion versus customer expectations.

Personally, I would recommend the third party plug-in or utility route for casual PDF to InDesign conversion, understanding that a 100% conversion of arbitrary PDF to InDesign is literally impossible.

          - Dov

- Dov Isaacs, former Adobe Principal Scientist (April 30, 1990 - May 30, 2021)
amaarora
Community Manager
Community Manager
August 24, 2017

Hi Dov,

Thanks once again for that useful insight. Surprising to hear that InDesign was able to open a pdf!

-Aman

InDesign Engineering Team

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October 27, 2020

Aman to that!

BobLevine
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Community Expert
August 24, 2017

You could try opening the PDF in Acrobat, save as Word and then place the Word file in InDesign.

Won't be perfect by any longshot but it will only take a few minutes to try it.

Known Participant
August 24, 2017

It appears not to be an option. I submit an official feature request for the function, you can vote on it here, enough votes and they may put it in the program- Convert PDF to INDD – Adobe InDesign Feedback

Danny Whitehead.
Legend
August 24, 2017

The way I understand it, they'd have to code InDesign to make assumptions about how you want a PDF, built in an application that doesn't function like InDesign, to be rebuilt. I just can't imagine ever being comfortable with the reliability of such a conversion.

I think the best you can remotely expect is a way of embedding the INDD into a PDF exported from InDesign, similar to Illustrator and Photoshop.

Community Expert
August 24, 2017

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Danny+Whitehead.  wrote

… I think the best you can remotely expect is a way of embedding the INDD into a PDF exported from InDesign, similar to Illustrator and Photoshop.

Hi Danny,

even better would be an IDML "layer" in an exported PDF so that several versions of InDesign could access the IDML data.

Best,
Uwe

Inspiring
August 24, 2017

As said, no.

But

You can take it apart and put it back together again?

Buy using 'export all images' in acrobat, copy/paste text from acrobat to Indesign, load the pdf into illustrator to 'rip' out any vector elements and obtain any colour/font info.

Not fast if you have a large document but it's better than nothing...

Known Participant
August 24, 2017

Yeah, I know I was looking for a quick fix rather than recreating something, thanks though

amaarora
Community Manager
Community Manager
August 24, 2017

Hi,

I dont think it is possible...

I would use pdf2indd by Recosoft. You get first 5 conversions for free...

-Aman

Known Participant
August 24, 2017

I said not looking to use any external software, I am already aware of pdf2indd by recosoft

Derek Cross
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Community Expert
August 24, 2017

You can Place a PDF into InDesign but it's not editable.