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December 31, 2024
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Double color management issue when printing in InDesign

  • December 31, 2024
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Hello Community, 

 

I'm using indesign to print a small book of color photography. Typically when I print with Photoshop, I first select "Photoshop manages colors" then I select the .icc profile of the paper I'm using, in this case Canson Rag Duo.  I open my print dialogue to select my media type, The color matching section is usually grayed out, like this screenshot: 

However, in Indesign, when I go to the same dialogue box in InDesign, I'm able to select the .icc profile inside here as well.

That wouldn't seem to be a problem, except when go to Print > Print Settings >  Color Management, I'm prompted to choose the .icc profile again  So i think what is happening is that the profile might be getting applied twice? Maybe I'm wrong and it's a redundancy that does nothing to the color, but my color is off. Can anyone advise if I can (or should) turn off one of the two .icc profiles? Thank you for your help

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Brad @ Roaring Mouse
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 31, 2024

The one thing you haven't shown us is your Print Driver settings:

In Option 1, if you select Colorsync and select the matching Paper Profile. under Print Settings, the option to set Color Management in the driver should be greyed out. (I'm not on the same OS as you, so my screen grabs are from a Monterey).

Alternatively, In Option 2, you COULD select EPSON Color Controls, but make sure he now active Color Management setting is set to Off.

Try option 2 and see if that works better for you.

 

Participating Frequently
January 1, 2025

Hey Brad - thanks for your response. I actually shared a portion above. The problem is it's *not* grayed out, and I am prompted to choose an icc profile. See here:  Whereas in photoshop, I'm unable to select a profile, because I've already done it:.  but your solution is very interesting and I tried it - Selecting Epson Color and then selecting. "off". It got me closer! It's not quite what I want, but it's an intriguing development to say the least. 

 

So at this point it's clear there are 2 color profiles being applied, so I will just continue to poke around until i figure this out or epson gets their act together and updates their drivers. ha. Thanks for taking the time! Happy new year! 

Brad @ Roaring Mouse
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 1, 2025

"The problem is it's *not* grayed out"

Not there. I mean in the Epson's Printer Settings (i.e the right-most panel in my screen grab). This is separate from the ColorSync settings, and is often where the double management is occuring. When you slect a ColorSync profile, the two setting in the PRINTER settings there should be greyed out.

However, if you think setting both ID Color management and ColorSync is applying the double, then remove the first one. I think you've already tried this, but set ID to sRGB so nothing is converted there. Still make sure the option in the Print Settings are greyed out.

 All this being said, I also agree with the others that the PDF route is the best. It's less hassle overall, especially with the newer OSs.

Randy Hagan
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 31, 2024

Hi Wyatt.

 

You shouldn't be applying the profile twice, so much as you're updating the settings with a new, but (hopefully) exact same, choice.

 

As long as you're taking the information from the very same ICC profile, we should be talking about nothing more than a redundant, rather than accumulative, process. But if your color is off — for whatever reason — it's good to have a proper reference to work with as you sleuth this problem.

 

That means test pages, and ideally color checking/calibration tools. If you don't have a good objective test page to print — meaning color calibration swatches/bars and targets, not just sample pictures — I recommend the file you can get through this link. Click the Color Test Page button at the top of the copy block, and output it to Adoibe PDF to save a file you can use for your color reproduction baselines. Print the just-opened PDF test page first from Photoshop, then save a copy of it in whatever format you prefer for placing Photoshop images in InDesign.

 

Create two InDesign documents. Place the saved PDF test page in one InDesign document, then go to the second document and place the saved Photoshop file with your preferred format and color settings. Print them both and see if you have any reproduction differences between the Photoshop output and output from the two InDesign documents.

 

  • If they all print the same, and you're unhappy with them, we're talking about hardware calibration and your ICC profile. Between the two of them, something's out of whack.
  • If the Photoshop image and the placed Photoshop document within InDesign print the same and the placed PDF test page prints different, we're talking about issues applying the ICC profile/color settings from Photoshop.
  • If both InDesign documents print the same and the Photoshop output is different, we're talking about issues applying ICC profiles/color settings from InDesign.

 

As suggested elsewhere, if you use a PDF-based workflow you should output a PDF file, then also print those from Adobe Acrobat. Again we're talking about printing three files: The original PDF test file output directly from Acrobat, then PDF file output from both of the InDesign documents. Compare those too.

 

Let us know what you find from your proofing/printing tests and hopefully we can help you find a course of action. It's hard tellin' not knowin', and running the test pages will help us all isolate the source(s) of your color reproduction issues.

 

Hope you find this helpful,

 

Randy

Participating Frequently
December 31, 2024

Hi Randy, thanks for these helpful suggestions. I will try now. I should note that my monitor is calibrated and I am able to print successfully from photoshop using any number of .icc profiles, it's just this weird Indesign issue. However, I will go through the steps you suggest and see if I can isolate the problem! Thank you 

Randy Hagan
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 31, 2024

Monitor calibration is very important. If you're fortunate enough to have colorimeter/calibration measurement tools, it'll make it easier to determine the color output results in objective, arbitrary terms.

 

I learned a long time ago to use terms like should instead of will, because no matter how things should work, there are often surprises in how things will work. It's just nailing down the variables until we come up with getting you the results you're looking for.

 

It's interesting that you run multiple ICC profiles. Do you have multiple output devices? Or do you have multiple output profiles for your Epson SureColor device? Let me ask a dirty question: Are you having the same issues when you run any ICC profile for your work, or just when you run this one?

 

Randy

Robert at ID-Tasker
Legend
December 31, 2024

It's always best to export PDF from InDesign and print from Acrobat. 

 

Participating Frequently
December 31, 2024

I had never considered it! Thanks for the tip, I'll try that.

Participating Frequently
December 31, 2024

One thing that I'll add - I'm using the latest versions of both Photoshop and Indesign (20.0.1), and i'm running Sequoia (15.2) with an epson SureColor p900 (13.96), if that's helpful. Thanks!