Glyph displays in every application but Indesign (surprise surprise!)

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November 24, 2019
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I am trying to set a book in Times New Roman. It uses a glyph (Middle Welsh V – unicode 1EFD). I can get it to disply in all weights in Word. I can get it to display in all weights in Mac Mail. I get a 'missing glyph' alert in InDesign. Why? For £20 a month I expect someone to be helicoptered in to sort out this rubbish.

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Jongware

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Consider me helicoptered in, then, and dropping down on a rope as we speak. 🙂

As explained in reply to your previous question, your version of Times New Roman does not contain the character 'ỽ'. I also understand that you have a good replacement but that's only available in Regular.

Therefore my suggestion is to create a One-Character font for just this glyph, and then use a GREP style to make InDesign automatically apply this font to just the Welsh v. But of course you need some sort of starting point, as drawing a character 'out of the blue' is a fair tall task even for an experienced typographer.

So I cheated, and used my version of TNR as a basis.

That said, it took me 15 minutes to create and test four single-font characters, for Regular, Italic, Bold, and Bold Italic (meaning: if you only fill in the font and clear the style in your GREP style, you don't have to worry about the right style being applied). It also took a few minutes to find something Welsh-like, to test with; this is what it looks like in Minion Pro, with aforementioned GREP Style to change the Welsh v:

Doug A Roberts

Community Expert

If you look at the glyphs panel for Times New Roman in InDesign, can you search for and find/use the glyph (by unicode)? It appears in the version of Times I have installed.

Willi Adelberger

Community Expert

You have to have installed all fonts you need in your system on those places where all programms can have access. MS Office is installing its fonts inside of each application folder, often in an invisible way for common user. On the Mac it is found inside any programme package.
Word allows to create a false style if you have installed the standard style. This is in print not permitted so InDesign does not allow fake styles. You have to have installed every style and not every style is complete of every font.

Look which font includes that glyph and use that font, if you need only one single glyph which is missing from your standard font, take it from a similiar font, create a chracter style and use it via GREP style automatically.

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humphreyb89353625Author

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Okay – that works for Word and I understand that. How come I have the glyph in Mac Mail then? That is not a MS Office application.

Also it would be handy if InDesign had the ability to use a false style rather than a lump of useless tofu! I'd rather have a false style and a warning about using it than seven hundred square boxes in a book.

I have looked for fonts that include the glyph – Cardo has no boldface version, Baskerville looks terrible adn Geneva bears no similarity to the appearance of the glyh or the font in use.

Willi Adelberger

Community Expert

I have described that you have to install these fonts in a place where InDesign can find them. One method to search them in the application package and copy them to the place, where InDesign can access it.
You would not be happy if InDesign would support false styles, they cause all kind of problems on high res type setting devices.
Draw your glyph and make a font of it. Replace it in your text with a GREP style.

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