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August 6, 2009
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HELP!!How To Layout Pages With 3 Hole Punch

  • August 6, 2009
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I am creating a 100 page catalog and will be printing on both front and back sheets.  I need to adjust my master pages to include holes for the 3 hole punch paper it will be printed on.  I can't find an answer anywhere!!! Please help!!

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    Participant
    April 26, 2024

    It seems like somethjign super basic, because that's a lot of valuable realestate on the left side of the margin going to waste because of holes. Holes are always going to be in the exact same place regardless of paper size, these are industry standards in binders and books that put the rings in the exact same places. It should be in-built into any good desktop publishing program. I'm surprised how must pushback you seem to be getting. 

    James Gifford—NitroPress
    Legend
    April 27, 2024

    Welcome to the forum. However, you should note you've replied to a 15 year old topic here. 🙂

    Participating Frequently
    August 6, 2009

    I've been through this many times in several similar situations. The solution that I use currently  is to start over again and layout the page or MP using guides to display the column with the 3 holes and then layout the page in the remaining area. When you print the book the area to punch the holes will be blank unless you place a visible margin or any other content. Or place small images to demonstrate where the holes will be punched.

    A good way to visualise this is to look at a notebook that has holes punched. Set 1 guide as a first margin to allow for the holes. Then layout the page in the remaining area. Create 2 master pages. 1 for the odd sides and 1 for the even sides. If your current content falls into the margin area, then you will need to layout the content over again within the new content area. ID will not do this for you unfortunately (I foolishly tried this a long time ago and learned a painful lesson). Since you lose about 1" +/- on the page (for the holes), your content layout will need to change and ID has no way of knowing your layout intentions.

    Participant
    August 6, 2009

    I guess what i was asking is if there is something like document setup (us letter,us legal, etc if i could have a hole punched sheet. I guess not.  I thought the location of the hole punch like for 3 ring binders was always in the same position.

    Thanks for all your help!

    FivePicaPica
    Inspiring
    August 6, 2009

    You could definitely set up your own template with those elements on it.

    3-hole punch, cerlox bound and spiral bound could come in handy if you do a lot of work like that.

    Participant
    August 6, 2009

    I already have facing pages with sufficient margins set up.  What i want to see on the pages are the actual position of the holes.  My document is a standard 8.5x11" - the only thing i can think of doing is placing circles by hand (measuring an 8.5x11" sheet of paper and measuring the space between each hole.  However, that's pretty unprofessional and unreliable....Any ideas?

    BobLevine
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 6, 2009

    So you want ID to automatically know where you're going to have the holes in the paper? Sorry, that's not possible.

    You'll need to draw them youself. I would suggest doing so with a non-printing attribute assigned to them.

    Bob

    Peter Spier
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 6, 2009

    Two sided douments are usually set up as "Facing Pages." In the document setup make sure you set the "inside" margin wide enough to accomodate the holes.

    If your document is already set up as single pages you can use that, so long as the margins are symmetrical and wide enough, or you can go back to Documetn setup and change to facing pages. If you do that, you will need to go to the master page and chang ethe options so the page count for the master is 2 instead of 1, and then under the Layout menu choose margins and columns to adjut the margins on the master as required. If you've alreay laid out pages, enable "Layout Adjustment" (also under the Layout menu) before changing the margins and anything snapped to the existing margins should adjust to the new ones. You may also need to adjust the postions of elemnts on the master pages to mirror, and you'll need to put all of the content onto both halves of the master spread.

    BobLevine
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    August 6, 2009

    Just go to the master and change the margins...I'm not sure what else you're looking for, but if you designed the live pages according to those margins everything should adjust automatically.

    Bob

    Community Expert
    August 6, 2009

    BobLevine wrote:

    but if you designed the live pages according to those margins everything should adjust automatically.

    Bob, I am missing something? If I adjust the margins on the master page, what things automatically adjust to the new margins. Even a master text frame needs to be manually adjusted to conform to the new margins.

    After seeing Peter's post, "Layout Adjustment" is what I am missing.

    Message was edited by: Jeffrey_Smith

    FivePicaPica
    Inspiring
    August 6, 2009

    If you aren't happy with the Layout adjustment option (I seldom am), there's a useful "Adjust Layout" script which works far better IMO.