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James Gifford—NitroPress
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October 13, 2023
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Hide Spreads... and?

  • October 13, 2023
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I'm starting a separate topic because I don't want to throw sourballs in the more or less official one. But having looked at this highly-promoted feature, my reaction is... Yeah, so? And?

 

So you can go to a spread in the Parent pages view, and toggle it Hide and UnHide. This has two effects: it puts a little icon on the spread, and when you do any kind of export, that spread will be omitted from the output.

 

Did I miss something?

 

It's not that this might not be useful for some designers and some projects, but in scope and scale it seems be "added featurette" at most. In implementation, it seems under-thought. And the potential for confusion and frustration may be out of proportion.

 

It does not, as an exchange in the primary topic concedes, change page numbering. So for a brochure or presentation or the like, it's good. But for anything like a publication, it becomes next to useless unless you accept gaps in your export page numbering. (Maybe for client drafts. Maybe to omit an advertising insert. Pretty narrow situations.) And there are other things it doesn't do in this respect, all because it flags the spreads as "hidden" but does not in any way actually omit them.

 

And unless I missed something, the entire indication that a spread is hidden is the icon in the Pages pane. No, say, tint on those icons. No overlay, watermark or tint on the hidden pages, nor do they disappear from the layout. Almost completely invisible function that sure as shootin', is going to drive some number of us batty one late tired night when we just can't figure out why only half our pages will export to PDF. (Cue a continuing stream of new users/beginners asking this very question.)

 

Maybe useful, to some. Functionality too limited to be of very wide use. And 'transparent' operation that is sure to confuse even skilled users, for which a learning curve won't help much.

 

Frankly, I'd say take it back out until it's fully baked. Until then, a post-it on the monitor might be useful: "Did you Remember to Un-Hide?"

Correct answer Rishabh_Tiwari

Hi @James Gifford—NitroPress ,

 

We appreciate your feedback on the hidden spread feature, and we understand your concerns. Page numbering concern is a limitation right now. We have already shared this scenario with the product team, and you'll surely see improvements in future releases. I've also taken note of your thoughts regarding the visibility of hidden spreads and let me assure you, I'll share your feedback with the engineering team.

 

In the meantime please upvote this request on our UserVoice page. The more votes it receives, the higher the chance of it being implemented.

Thanks

Rishabh

4 replies

Participant
June 5, 2024

Definitely agree. This was one of the most poorly thought out rollouts for such a simple feature.

Mike Witherell
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 14, 2023

I like the concept of hiding pages, but my first assumption and expectation would be that it omits numbering the page/spread because it is ... hidden. 

Mike Witherell
Rishabh_Tiwari
Rishabh_TiwariCorrect answer
Legend
October 13, 2023

Hi @James Gifford—NitroPress ,

 

We appreciate your feedback on the hidden spread feature, and we understand your concerns. Page numbering concern is a limitation right now. We have already shared this scenario with the product team, and you'll surely see improvements in future releases. I've also taken note of your thoughts regarding the visibility of hidden spreads and let me assure you, I'll share your feedback with the engineering team.

 

In the meantime please upvote this request on our UserVoice page. The more votes it receives, the higher the chance of it being implemented.

Thanks

Rishabh

Randy Hagan
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 13, 2023

Could repagination be a toggle for this feature. instead of an all yes or no thing?

 

I want to play with the capabilities more, but I see workflows where pages not repaginating could be useful.

Randy Hagan
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 13, 2023

As someone who's done a good bit of newspaper work, I can see this being a pretty handy tool for quickly cranking out editions/replates. You can work from the whole, larger pub. Distribute the big book to remote locations for producing editions/replates, then build the replates/editions and only deal with the pages each satellite operation produces.

 

I wouldn't necessarily want to delete the common pages for production, only focus on the ones I'm cranking out for my replate. This would make things easier. And in that case, I absolutely don't want the page numbering to change.

 

I can see something like this being handy for directory/catalog work too, though in that case I think I'd rather split documents and use the book functions to crank out subsets from a bigger InDesign book. It'd have to turn into a comfortable workflow to incorporate/manage/ignore this, but I'm kinda looking forward to seeing if I can make this work for my jobs.

 

Randy

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
October 14, 2023

I have only a little newspaper production experience (hey, I was an Editor, not a plate monkey! 🙂 ) but I think the limitations would still be there for this use, unless you are working with core layouts that drop into a paginated master.

 

My use would be for presentations, one of which I edit for every session, but I haven't found it too hard to either work from a copy and delete unneeded page/slides, or (more sustainably) just drag unneeded pages to the end and only export pages 1-n. I can see hiding/unhiding, with the feature as currently implemented, to be confusing in reviewing/editing the content, and frustrating when expected pages don't appear in a final export... especially if I'm already standing at the lectern.

 

Some evolution, as suggested, would make this a far more useful and reliable feature. I am mildly surprised that it was released in such... raw form. 😛