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April 8, 2017
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In InDesign what settings give the most realistic preview of a CMYK document (no spots)

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In InDesign what settings give the most realistic preview of a CMYK document. I know there is no substitute for a proper printed proof, but I need to get as close as I can on-screen for now. I don't have any spot colors, and I have my destination CMYK ICC profile installed in the color settings. Is "Overprint Preview" still the best option? Or is that only for use when spots are involved?

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    Community Expert
    April 9, 2017

    MarieMeyer  wrote

    … Is "Overprint Preview" still the best option? Or is that only for use when spots are involved?

    Hi Marie,

    best use Separation Preview turned on.
    Overprint preview is automatically activated with that.

    In case of spot colors:
    For previewing L*a*b* spots to CMYK separations correctly, I think you have to use Separation Preview.
    Overprint Preview alone would not be good enough. Also check your Ink Manager settings about spots and the conversion policy.

    Regards,
    Uwe

    Community Expert
    April 9, 2017

    Hi Marie,

    FWIW: Separation results could be different of placed RGB images where reduced opacity is used within the image ( e.g. a layer option with PhotoShop is used ) in comparison to opacity effects applied by InDesign's Effects panel applied to a not transparent RGB image.

    Below an example that is demonstrating this.
    The same PhotoShop image with three layers placed three times.


    The PhotoShop layers from top to bottom:
    Layer 1: Opacity 100% showing a gradient
    Layer 2: Opacity 50% showing the same gradient

    Layer 3: Background Layer with fill color RGB 255|255|255 ( a "white" )

    Now the image is placed 3 times on an InDesign page.

    See screenshots from my German InDesign below.

    Case 1 on top: All 3 layers are turned on. No effective opacity is visible.

    Case 2 below: Exactly as case 1 with one difference:
    An effect from InDesign's Effects panel is applied:

    Opacity is reduced to 50 %

    Case 3 at the bottom of the page:

    Layer 1 is turned off. In effect you see the gradient of layer 2 with opacity 50% on the background layer that is filled with white.

    Perhaps you would expect that 2. and 3. will lead to the same separation?

    Apparently that's not the case.

    Image of case 2 selected, Separation Preview on:

    Image of case 3 selected, Separation Preview on:

    So be careful what you are doing with effects on InDesign objects on the page.
    The separation result of case 3 is much better than the one of case 2.

    If you can, avoid RGB colors for text and vector objects in InDesign.

    At least avoid tints on RGB swatches. You'd see the same separation values like in our case 2 that are not optimal. *

    RGB fills that are not touched by InDesign effects and do not come with tints will separate as expected when output to PDF/X.

    That goes for exported PDF/X-1 and PDF/X-4 alike.

    * EDIT: CORRECTION
    As long as you do not convert RGB swatches that are using tints to CMYK with InDesign's Swatches panel they will separate ok using PDF/X-1a or PDF/X-4.
    Do the task of separation always by exporting to PDF. Or export RGB with PDF/X-4 so that the print service provider can do the separation.

    The problem with applied InDesign effects on RGB images or objects with RGB fills cannot be avoided, I think.

    Regards,
    Uwe

    rob day
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 9, 2017

    Uwe, try setting your transparency blend space to RGB. In that case I get a match both in appearance and separation numbers.

    Photoshop doesn't have the challenge of dealing with multiple color spaces on a single page when transparency is applied. The blend space in Photoshop would be the mode of the document—RGB in your example.

    CMYK blend space

    RGB blend space

    Community Expert
    April 9, 2017

    https://forums.adobe.com/people/rob+day  wrote

    Uwe, try setting your transparency blend space to RGB. In that case I get a match both in appearance and separation numbers. …

    Hi Rob,

    I tried that, but unfortunately changing the blend space to RGB was no success.
    Here a link to my samples where I also tried different things with RGB based spot and process colors and L*a*b* based spot and process colors. Transparency applied with InDesign's Effects panel would still be a problem to me:

    Dropbox - Gradient-3-Layers-sRGB-PLACED-CC-2017.1.zip

    ( Perhaps we should discuss this in a different thread… )

    Thanks,
    Uwe

    Willi Adelberger
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 8, 2017

    You need to choose the profile the printer needs for output. For raster images keep them in RGB and convert them if necessary not before export to PDF.

    rob day
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 8, 2017

    I don't have any spot colors, and I have my destination CMYK ICC profile installed in the color settings.

    The profile you set in Color Settings isn't necessarily the document's CMYK profile. Check that the assigned profile is correct under Edit>Assign Profiles it could be different than the Color Setting's Working CMYK profile.

    The accuracy of the preview of CMYK color depend on two profiles, the assigned document CMYK profile and your monitor profile which is set by the OS during a monitor calibration.

    Overprint preview forces any RGB or Lab colors to preview as they will output to CMYK, and would also show the effect of overprinting CMYK colors. OP should not change the appearance of CMYK color that is not overprinting another color.