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August 5, 2024
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InDesign | Math Graphics | A Better Way?

  • August 5, 2024
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I created a math-related book (now published) in InDesign where the cover and back cover are peppered with some relatively-sophisticated, intentionally-faint math graphics (see the attachment). The math graphics were generated via MS-Word (for "Equation") and/or MS-PowerPoint (for lines, circles, etc.) and subsequently JPEG'd for placement into InDesign (MS-Word/PowerPoint > Equation > JPEG > InDesign > File > Place...). The only problem I'm having is that the print quality (from the vendor) of the math graphics is inconsistent; one set of math graphics is clearer than another.

 

Is there a better way to do this? Where else can I generate professional-looking math graphics, as one would see in a calculus textbook, for example, for InDesign incorporation so as to achieve more consistent print quality and clarity?

Correct answer Joe-New-to-ID

Dave:

 

I've watched a number of YouTube videos based on your suggestion. Additionally, I never thought of PNG files. I'll give these a try. Thank you.

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Participant
February 5, 2025

Too late for original poster, but I use "Math Magic" despite the silly name it has key features for professional looking equations with an easier interface than Microsoift equation.

  • The files can be saved as vector format or raster format. 
  • If saving as a scalar (jpg, png) the vector info is embedded -so you can pull the jpg or png into Math Magic and it will edit it -because the vector info (only a few kb or less) is imbedded!
  • You can make you equations look like those in engineering and mathbooks. Microsoft is especially bad at spacing, subscripts and superscripts.
  • Becuase you are saving as a file -there is no cut and past, insert as you would a grahic. The font size is retained.
  • Windows handles WMF (windows metafiles) very well if you want to rescale. Personally, I avoid vector for text formats becasue vector can be (and is) sometimes misinterpreted by other programs. Looks good until a parenthesis goes backwark or small.
  • If you save the files as jpg, you will be able to see the equations in file explorer -easy then to find for fuiture use.
  • If you want the equation to be larger, open it in Math Magic, export to WMF if putting into Windws Office prgram, and it will be rescalable. Any misreading of the vector, then change the font size in the style options of Math Magic and resave in different format with different name.

 I spent years trying different math editors and this one is the best for usability, output to different formats, ease of editing the jpg, and being able to see athe equations in file manager for easy reuse.  With Microsfots editor, I used to get stuck when doing something out of order and have to start over -not a problem with Math Magic. I can save styles for varaibles, vectors, text, etc.  I can resize and change the offsets of subscripts and superscripts. Learning curve was nearly zero. Clear menus. Interface similar to Microsoft and Math Type but way more flexible and much more useful output. It can also save as png, but I've not seen the need for it.

 

By the way, cut and paste limits the resolution to your screen resolution, which creates problems when enlarging on your screen. I prefer to avoid resizing illustrations in any thing other than the software that created them. this keeps font size, line widths consistent. Graphic artists would always ask me what I wanted the final size to be. -that's two of four reasons why. 

Participant
February 5, 2025

Shame I can't see how to edit after posting. Hard to spell check in the little box. I guess I'll need to write and edit in word,. then cut and past for posts.

Dave Creamer of IDEAS
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Community Expert
February 5, 2025

Microsoft Editor works in most browsers. 

I think after you post for a while, you gain the ability to edit your posts (but not delete). 

 

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
Barb Binder
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August 5, 2024

Or save as Adobe PDF and place that file. 

 

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
Dave Creamer of IDEAS
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August 5, 2024

Except the PDF is of the entire page and not just the graphic. The HTML would make a two PNGs: one cropped to the graphic and one with a transparent background.. Granted, one could crop the PDF or gang them all up on a few pages and place/crop in ID, but that's a lot more work.

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
Dave Creamer of IDEAS
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Community Expert
August 5, 2024

How are you extracting the graphics? JPEG is the worst format for this type of art--you should use PNG. 

You can either make the equation larger and save as HTML, or you can zoom in and do a screen capture--either should default to PNG.

 

If you want the best results, google "InDesign math plugins". I've used Math+Magic in the past. 

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
Joe-New-to-IDAuthorCorrect answer
Inspiring
August 6, 2024

Dave:

 

I've watched a number of YouTube videos based on your suggestion. Additionally, I never thought of PNG files. I'll give these a try. Thank you.

Derek Cross
Community Expert
Community Expert
August 5, 2024

Try this: experiment with the size of the equations in Word, if the ones you placed originally were in say 12pt, reset them in 36pt,  save them as a PDF and Place that in your InDesign document reducing the size to suit.

Inspiring
August 6, 2024

Derek:

 

I'll give it a try. Thank you.