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January 30, 2025
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Layering Issue with Rule Above/Below-Underline–Paragraph Borders

  • January 30, 2025
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Trying to see if there is a resolution to the following. I want to set up a way to establish a style where I am using both Rule Above and Rule Below for two different purposes. One establishing a white box below the type so that it reads over photos and can adjust based on the type without creating a secondary box and one where it adds a thin rule below the type (an underline) that does the same. The problem is that no matter how I set up the thin rule, on the turn the white rule of second line blocks the thin rule of the line above it. I don't want to change type specs if I don't have to. I know I can adjust the white rule to be smaller so that it doesn't overlap with the thin rule, but I am wondering if there is a way to make the subsequent lines display below the previous ones. Screen shot attached with basic look. The problem with this is that the thin rule needs to be below the descenders. For reference of placement the cyan rule is an offset strikethrough, the only method in which it is not covered by the white rule of the next line. The magenta rule is actually in place on both lines, the first line is just being covered by the white rule of the second line.

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Dave Creamer of IDEAS
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 4, 2025

The text has to be in a frame, so why not but the white background (and red border if that's what it is) on the frame?

Then you can use the Underline settings to move the rule down. 

An Object Style can be set and linked to the Paragraph Style.

If you don't want the underline on some words, you can use a Character Style to turn it off as needed.

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
Participating Frequently
February 4, 2025

In answer to the last post, yes, the red represents a photo. We want to obscure the photos as little as possible. Depending on headline, first line can be longer or shorter than second line by several characters, so we do not want to fill the the frame, but apply a "white box" below the words for legibility as well as trying to streamline the edit so that we don't have to redraw a white box under the text every time a word changes.

Peter Spier
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 4, 2025

I used to do a lot of advertising materials that use text over photos and I frequently would use an outer glow (usually coupled with a text color that stands out on the photo) to make the text more legible while obscuring as little as possible of the product.

A very different look, though, from what you are describing, and it does take some experimentation to find the correct combination of color, blend mode, and opacity for a particular image.

Dave Creamer of IDEAS
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 4, 2025

I'm confused. What is the red background--is that supposed to represent a photo or do you want it around the white box?

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
davecourtemanche
Inspiring
February 3, 2025

What about Paragraph Shading & an Underline Character style?

 

Participating Frequently
February 4, 2025

Same result, the white 38 pt shading covers the thin rule

davecourtemanche
Inspiring
February 4, 2025

Not sure I understand - in my example, the white is coming from Para Shading (behind copy) and the magenta rule is an underline character style. No covering.

FRIdNGE
January 30, 2025

2 paras + Rule Above + Underlining

 

(^/)  The Jedi

Participating Frequently
February 3, 2025

Tried that, does not work. Assuming from all of the comments there is nothing I am missing regarding an overprint setting. I was hoping so. For seom reason the the second line always covers the first line.

FRIdNGE
February 4, 2025
Mike Witherell
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 30, 2025

Here is a stacking order reference by Colin Flashman:

https://creativepro.com/understanding-the-stacking-order-of-paragraph-rules/

Interestingly, Rule Below stacks above Rule Above.

Mike Witherell
Robert at ID-Tasker
Legend
January 30, 2025
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Interestingly, Rule Below stacks above Rule Above.


By @Mike Witherell

 

I think that's because drawing things is done from top-to-bottom - so first is drawn Rule Above, then Rule Below. 

 

Robert at ID-Tasker
Legend
January 30, 2025

But it's strange, that CharStyle formatting - strike / underline - are drawn FIRST? 

 

Robert at ID-Tasker
Legend
January 30, 2025

Have you tried "regular" underline? I'm on my phone so can't check myself. 

 

Peter Spier
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 30, 2025

Seems to work when I try it, but you can't adjust the width the way you can with the paragraph rule.