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GiDesign&Marketing
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August 16, 2023
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Outlining Bullet points

  • August 16, 2023
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this ancient adobe bug just cost me $5k

paying monthly for a software that has 20+ year old bugs, but yea glad i have AI becuase thats whats important

 

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Robert at ID-Tasker
Robert at ID-Tasker
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August 23, 2023

I think the easiest way to check for missing things AFTER outlining, would be to export two PDFs - both with text only - then raster each PDF as B/W in Photoshop and do a "sandwich" - not outlined version on the bottom, coloured in red, then outlined version on top...

 

rob day
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rob dayCommunity Expert
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August 23, 2023

Try that on a 120 page book.

Robert at ID-Tasker
Robert at ID-Tasker
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August 23, 2023

Why that would be a problem? Can be easily automated - piece of cake. 

 

Or even Photoshop isn't needed - JPEGs can be exported instead, directly from InDesign - and then place together in a new document.

 

Or just outlined JPEGs can be exported and placed in the not outlined - original - INDD file. 

 

ID-Tasker can handle it easily - on any number of files.

 

Barb Binder
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Barb BinderCommunity Expert
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August 23, 2023

My chance to quote my favorite reply to this question:

 

—https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/outline-text-with-bullets-numbering/m-p/9901728#M102724

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
    Robert at ID-Tasker
    Robert at ID-Tasker
    Legend
    August 16, 2023

    If you outline text - it's your responsibility to proof read. 

    If you give PDF with text - it's printer's responsibility - but then they should print a "proof" that you would have to sign... 

    Anyway - sorry to hear about that. 

     

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    GiDesign&MarketingAuthor
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    August 16, 2023

    yes i agree but humans make mistakes. its bound to happen. just dosnt make sense that a bug like this would still be here after this many years. 1it was a constant issue up to a few years ago then stopped happening too me until recently. yes its my responsibility but thats like saying my mistake once is more punishable than a massive develper's continuous oversite.

     

    BobLevine
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    BobLevineCommunity Expert
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    August 16, 2023

    It's not a bug! Seriously, this is exactly as designed and it has always been this way.

     

    The only way you could have avoided it is if you used real bullets as part of the text or used the convert bullets to text feature. That's it. This is completely on you and the more you insist it's a bug, the more foolish you're going to sound.

     

    Take a breath and learn from your mistake.

    BobLevine
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    BobLevineCommunity Expert
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    August 16, 2023

    Not a bug...not even close. And that fact that you converted bulleted text to outlines without even checking it leaves this on 

     

    • You, for not proofing your document properly
    • The printer that told you to do it.

     

    There is zero reason for this to have happened and it's certainly not due to a bug.

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      GiDesign&MarketingAuthor
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      August 23, 2023

      i absolutely consider it to be a bug if the bullets disapear
      are you saying that adobe wants this to happen?

       

      BobLevine
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      BobLevineCommunity Expert
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      August 23, 2023

      Anything that works as designed, is NOT A BUG! It does not matter how many times you say that it is. This is how it works and every single point about dealing with this has been covered already.

      Willi Adelberger
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      Willi AdelbergerCommunity Expert
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      August 16, 2023

      This is not a bug. Never outline any text in InDesign. Deliver a PDF/X-4 to the printer. 

      if you need to outline, do it in Acrobat Pro. 

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        GiDesign&MarketingAuthor
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        August 23, 2023

        ok so now taht im embedding my fonts and not outlining my printer is kicking the file back for fonts not being embedded
        as far as i understand i am only to reduce the percentage to 0 on the advanced output menu. is that not correct?

         

        rob day
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        rob dayCommunity Expert
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        August 23, 2023

        They have joboptions file:

        But "PDF 1.3"...

         


        The note about Adobe limitations is definately wrong, and I don’t see anything about converting text to outlines. If the Export>Output tab Destination is set to a CMYK profile, all process color gets converted into that destination profile—there would be no exceptions.

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